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Old 25 May 2006, 03:08   #11 (permalink)
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Default Re: Still no response on CIBs?

I've had 2 Kroot kill 3 cursed founding T6 marine bikes in combat.

I've fired 2 railguns, an ion cannon, and much pulse fire at a skorcha only to see it saved every times by armor plates.

Kroot are 7 points. Armor plating is what, 5 points? MAYBE 10 on a battlewagon?

The point is, you just can't argue that way. An assault cannon can do the same damn thing and you can have a dozen of them in one army. One-per-army stuff is generally REALLY GOOD, not slightly better than a handful of guardsmen.
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Old 25 May 2006, 03:21   #12 (permalink)
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I've had 2 Kroot kill 3 cursed founding T6 marine bikes in combat.

I've fired 2 railguns, an ion cannon, and much pulse fire at a skorcha only to see it saved every times by armor plates.

Kroot are 7 points. Armor plating is what, 5 points? MAYBE 10 on a battlewagon?

The point is, you just can't argue that way. An assault cannon can do the same damn thing and you can have a dozen of them in one army. One-per-army stuff is generally REALLY GOOD, not slightly better than a handful of guardsmen.
Sure I can argue that way. A kroot cannot wound a wraithlord in close combat so to compare a wraithlord to a chaos marine does not really make any sense.

Armored plating stopping a hit is a lot different then a str 3 weapon able to wound anything regardless of Toughness on a roll of a 6. 40k has always been a game of troops over vehicles and infantry have always been better at destroying tanks then other tanks in the game.

It doesn't matter if you disagree with me I truly believe a str 3 weapon that can wound anything on a roll of a 6 with no armor save for 15 pts is not right and not the way GW made the wargear
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Old 25 May 2006, 05:37   #13 (permalink)
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Default Re: Still no response on CIBs?

Whatever you say man. I don't see what the big deal is, so I'm waiting for GWs ruling.

Right now I wouldn't play it that way, of course, but it's either what they intended or a very interesting error.
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Old 25 May 2006, 05:50   #14 (permalink)
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Whatever you say man. I don't see what the big deal is, so I'm waiting for GWs ruling.

Right now I wouldn't play it that way, of course, but it's either what they intended or a very interesting error.
We'll see, just phone them or email them.
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Old 25 May 2006, 05:59   #15 (permalink)
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I'd rather wait for an official FAQ. I've gotten more than my share of wrong answers from those "hobby specialists" on the end of the line.

If there's no FAQ about it, then the (oddly worded) current rule stands. At least, until I corner Gav Thorpe at the next Games Day!
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Old 25 May 2006, 06:01   #16 (permalink)
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As a 1 per army HQ or Shas'o ONLY weapon, I fully believe it's well within the rules if it is capable of doing just that (killing a high toughness model in one round).

Do I play it as such? No. Would I think it was cheesy if it could? No.

Tau should get cool stuff too.

The Assualt Cannon is one of the most powerful guns out there and multiple can be taken in a single army. Same for Starcannons.

1 Per army
only on an 'Vre or higher

Totally legit either way IMO
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Old 25 May 2006, 06:52   #17 (permalink)
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*This isn't a flame (hence not quoting anyone)..but I hear it no matter where I go. In store, out of store etc*

Gosh I wish Tau players would stop comparing themselves to other armies like marines. The marines have their assault cannon but the Tau have many other things the Marines don't have. Our standard gun is str 5 AP 5 has a 30" range...gee seems better then the standard bolter. All our tanks are skimmers means a lot harder to kill then those marine tanks. Our anti-tank is 1.5x the range of the lascannon..gee another tick mark in our chart. We have ways to improve our BS to 5, marines don't, we have weapons that don't require LOS, marines only have the whirlwind. Our plasma doesn't overheat, marines do. We have stealth fields that inhibit shooting, marines don't.

We are without a doubt better then marines and I personally don't want to see the CIB be a Tau version of the Marine assault cannon. There is a reason it is str 3, to sit there and think we should be entitled to wound any Toughness model beause the marines can do it with an assault cannon is lame.

It seems no matter how much GW gives us people want more and start doing stuff like this. Because an editor overlooked a sentance I am going to interpret it the way that benefits me and say that I can wound anything on a 6 no matter what. If I get really lucky and throw 5 sixes I can kill a 150pt Fex with my 15 pt wargear when there is nothing else in the 40k universe that can do it. Talk about rules lawyering

Tau are the best army in 40k who can really take on all comers. Think about this do you think a weapon that can shoot 5 times up to 24" (JSJ) and can auto-wound anything with no armor saves on a roll of a 6 on a d6 would cost 15 points? If you do, then you are lost
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Old 25 May 2006, 07:29   #18 (permalink)
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Do I think all armies have some nice pieces of equipment that really aren't that expensive but have certain restrictions? Yeah.

And I'm not asking for something more, I'm fine with either interpretation of the rules.
I'm waiting for a faq, just chiming in on someone elses thread.
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Gosh I wish Tau players would stop comparing themselves to other armies like marines. The marines have their assault cannon but the Tau have many other things the Marines don't have. Our standard gun is str 5 AP 5 has a 30" range...gee seems better then the standard bolter. All our tanks are skimmers means a lot harder to kill then those marine tanks. Our anti-tank is 1.5x the range of the lascannon..gee another tick mark in our chart. We have ways to improve our BS to 5, marines don't, we have weapons that don't require LOS, marines only have the whirlwind. Our plasma doesn't overheat, marines do. We have stealth fields that inhibit shooting, marines don't.

We are without a doubt better then marines and I personally don't want to see the CIB be a Tau version of the Marine assault cannon. There is a reason it is str 3, to sit there and think we should be entitled to wound any Toughness model beause the marines can do it with an assault cannon is lame.

It seems no matter how much GW gives us people want more and start doing stuff like this. Because an editor overlooked a sentance I am going to interpret it the way that benefits me and say that I can wound anything on a 6 no matter what. If I get really lucky and throw 5 sixes I can kill a 150pt Fex with my 15 pt wargear when there is nothing else in the 40k universe that can do it. Talk about rules lawyering

Tau are the best army in 40k who can really take on all comers. Think about this do you think a weapon that can shoot 5 times up to 24" (JSJ) and can auto-wound anything with no armor saves on a roll of a 6 on a d6 would cost 15 points? If you do, then you are lost
For this let's just remember that Tau aren't any good in CC have a lower Ld etc, etc. And for a take all comer's. Hardly the second a fast assaulty army comes to a our doorstep we are pretty much dead. As for wounding everything on a six I don't know because I haven't been plying long enough for it.


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Our anti-tank is 1.5x the range of the lascannon..gee another tick mark in our chart.
This is often said to be a strenght of Tau. But I have to ask, how many times has your enemy shot at you (on normal size 6x4 table) with 48"range gun and been out of range?

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Just to give you an idea, the chances of rolling 3 6's on 3 dice is 1/277
1 in 216 in fact, to continue my line of nit picking.

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Just my Square root of 0.04
Do you need a math check or is it inflation?

Anyhow, on the subject. I would say the CIB could use the "always wounds on 6", but that might make it too powerful. At the moment it seems too weak, but with that rule I doubt we would even see a Shas´El/O without it.

Of course assault cannon is similar no brainer for terminators now, so I don´t know it that is a valid reason for weak CIB. Maybe the next version of CIB has "always wounds on 6", presenting Tau tech advancing.

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