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Old 15 May 2006, 10:13   #1 (permalink)
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Finally got a battle with the Tau Empire army today, and I've discovered Pathfinders suck harder than a horny vacuum cleaner.

Turn 1 they used their Scout move to get into cover. All eight of them fired Markerlights at a squad of Scorpions... 2 hit.

Turn 2, seven Markerlights (one guy died), and none hit!

Turn 3, my opponent was kind enough to slaughter them for me.

This isn't new for me either... I have never hit above-average with Markerlights. Has anyone else found Pathfinders to be the biggest waste of points in existence?
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Finally got a battle with the Tau Empire army today, and I've discovered Pathfinders suck harder than a horny vacuum cleaner.

Turn 1 they used their Scout move to get into cover. All eight of them fired Markerlights at a squad of Scorpions... 2 hit.

Turn 2, seven Markerlights (one guy died), and none hit!

Turn 3, my opponent was kind enough to slaughter them for me.

This isn't new for me either... I have never hit above-average with Markerlights. Has anyone else found Pathfinders to be the biggest waste of points in existence?
i have used them in quite a few tournaments and friendly games. they've only not done a good job a handful of times. Normally, they rock.

you can't blame the unit for dodgy dice rolls. blame your dice for that!

i found in the 3rd ed codex they were very handy for ion cannons, and XV8 teams to mass fire on a devestator squad hiding in a wood. Now, they woek less well for my hammerheads, but better for my fire warriors, stealths, and crisis teams.

I don't take them in my current list, but i do think they're an under rated unit.
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I second that. This one ranks up there with the IG lieutenant taking out a dreadnaught with his boltpistol!
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Just because of some bad luck, does not mean they suck, although I chuckled at the analogy...

Try again, and hope to roll better.

My first time with the new pf's, i got 6 hits out of 8, and my stealths annihialted a full strength guardian squad.
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Turn 1 they used their Scout move to get into cover. All eight of them fired Markerlights at a squad of Scorpions... 2 hit.
I'm going to guess you moved them forward towards the enemy? If so you made an error, they have 36" range so can happily sit back giving you more turns to mark and try to re-coup their cost.

If you didn't move them forward....well, you now know why i don't use Pathfinders.

Generally always target number 1, and for their cost (thanks to mister required DF) a big dent in your armies effectiveness.

I've still not seen or heard of anyone using one of the "Markerlight doom" armies successfully, validating my belief it was never a good idea. Stick to buying weapons that kill stuff, rather than point shiney beams at stuff.
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When I had a battle against black templars, I used a unit of 8 and hit with all but 1 of them and then I went on to kill a full strength assult sqaud with a chaplain in it.

Their are times when they dont do any thing but the are by far not the worst unit for TAU.

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I'm confused as to how a single bad dice roll on a unit makes them bad... Pathfinders are amazing, the only small downside to them is being forced to take a devilfish but I can deal with it in exchange for 12 point markerlights... AMAZING

I think somebody just likes to whine when things don't go exactly his way...
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I'm confused as to how a single bad dice roll on a unit makes them bad... Pathfinders are amazing, the only small downside to them is being forced to take a devilfish but I can deal with it in exchange for 12 point markerlights... AMAZING

I think somebody just likes to whine when things don't go exactly his way...
It's not one bad dice roll... it's six games of lousy rolling.
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Finally, some one who argees with me!
I hate Pathfinders! They rank as the most cheesey unit we have, and they make us a very unbalanced army. I do not, will not, have not ever used them in a list that I would ever feild.

PS, Wargamer, that was the best description of how hard Pathfinders suck I have ever heard.

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Its the "big squad + transport" that kills them for me. Instead of stealthy sniper troops they're a big, vulnerable, concentrated bunch of Fast-Attack points taking away a slot from precious (and cheap) gundrone squadrons or piranhas.

As they are though, they're sorta like vespids: assuming the transport doesn't get popped in the first turn or two, they'll set up, get one phase of 4-5 counters laid down on a unit which will get annihilated.

And then they get wiped out for twice whatever it was you blew up unless it was a filled landraider...

I find the sniper drones, and to a lesser extent Skyray, do a better job... mainly because they don't die as much.
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