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How hard to Instakill a Battlesuit?
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Old 12 May 2006, 21:57   #1 (permalink)
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Default How hard to Instakill a Battlesuit?

Okay, I appologise if this comes across wrong. Little upset about the argument I just had.

The topic is, what weapons instakill our multiwound battlesuits.

Opposing player tells me that Tau are 3 wounds and you don't use modified toughness, so commanders, crisis, broadsides get instant death from weapons strength 6 and above.

Now I actually have the old and new codex and play tau and know something about them (I think). The old codex spells out (page 16 under "improved characteristics") that the modified toughness is used for determining instant death contrary to the normal 40k rules. Personally, I feel that this is why our toughness is listed as Toughness 4 in the codexs and not Toughness 3 (4) similar to how some space marines (like those on bikes) are. I haven't found that same sentence in my new dex yet, but the listings are the same, they just list a single toughness.

So what do you think. Am I nuts? I mean, it's not like we can't be instant killed. There's plenty of strength 8,9,10 guns out there and those wonderful CC power weapons that don't even allow us an armor save!!

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Old 12 May 2006, 22:02   #2 (permalink)
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You use the battlesuits T to determine what stength you use to instakill it. It's not a modified characteristic, it's an entirely new stat line.
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Old 12 May 2006, 22:03   #3 (permalink)
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A modified stat line would look like T=3(4)
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Old 12 May 2006, 22:04   #4 (permalink)
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You are correct and your opponent is either ignorant or cheating. If a model gets an improved toughness from something (ex: Space Marine biker, Aun'va's staff thingy) then it will show the umodified toughness (used for insta kill purposes) and the new toughness in brackets.

If any unit entry does not have that then the toughness it shows them is the toughness they get.
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Old 12 May 2006, 22:04   #5 (permalink)
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Indeed, apart from under the ejection system rules, they do not mention that the improved stats are, improved stats, just that they are the BASE stats used. You friend talks rubbish.

And Shas'Els have 3 wounds, O's 4, and normal suits 2.
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Old 12 May 2006, 22:05   #6 (permalink)
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you use the Toughness 4 on your suit.
 
Old 12 May 2006, 23:09   #7 (permalink)
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Any weapon of strength 8-10 that wounds a Tau Battlesuit, and is not saved, will instantly kill the model.
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Old 12 May 2006, 23:35   #8 (permalink)
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It was specifically stated in the old dex that a plasma gun does NOT instakill a battlesuit since the modified toughness is used for instakill purposes.
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Old 13 May 2006, 02:59   #9 (permalink)
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In the old codex they seemed to be heading into a "there will be many battlesuit options in the future for your commanders" kind of option, and so they gave the stat upgrades that each suit type gave its pilot/wearer.

However, they said it clearly, many times, that these stats were not just 'augmented', but full changes to give you a "new" statline. I kinda liked that; rather than "oh he's a nurgle demon prince", its still a Shas'o or Shas'el, just... in a different mech
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Old 13 May 2006, 14:53   #10 (permalink)
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Thanks all for the quick replies and reassurance.

Set my mind at ease. I thought I was going insane! I mean, ever argue with someone that just won't see your point at all???

Thanks again. The wise Ethereals on the site have calmed me down.

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