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SMS vs. Stealth field
View Poll Results: SMS. vs Stealth field, check needed?
SMS needs no LOS, no NO check. 37 43.02%
Smart drones can get confused too, so YES to check. 31 36.05%
Tau vs. Tau? What are you talking about?! 12 13.95%
No idea, really. That's whay I'm reading all this... 6 6.98%
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Old 07 Apr 2006, 00:54   #1 (permalink)
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Default SMS vs. Stealth field

Simple, but I really don't know what happens...
SMS don't need LOS, and ignore Night Fighting rules, so I suppose that SMS have no problem whatsoever shooting at units under the SF.

What do you think?
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Old 07 Apr 2006, 00:57   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: SMS vs Stealth field

I agree...but what are tau doing battling other tau?
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Old 07 Apr 2006, 01:25   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: SMS vs Stealth field

No no no!

The SMS ignores Night Fight rules, but the stealth field doesn't use "Night Fight". It uses the same system as night fighting, checking spotting distance and all.

Just because a missile can see in the dark doesn't mean it can't be decieved by a stealth generator.
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Default Re: SMS vs Stealth field

This came up in regard to Stealth Suits vs. Searchlight. Has there ever been a past ruling on the topic?
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Old 07 Apr 2006, 02:58   #5 (permalink)
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It was for simplicity's sake, that searchlight overrides the stealth field.
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Old 07 Apr 2006, 02:58   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: SMS vs Stealth field

if you read the rules very closely you'll notice the differences

shooting:
"Enemy models firing at a unit equiped wholly with stealth field generators must roll to check their spotting distance as if firing at night."
it clearly states they are shot at as if they were but they are not exactly. the effect is the same but different sources. Here night fight rules are an example to help explain the stealth rule. the spotting distance is written as a rule seperatly. therefor all nightfight wargear and no LOS equipment has no effect on SFG.

Assault:
"Models equiped with stealth field generators count as being in cover if they are assaulted."
this specifically states they are in cover when assaulted and therefor suffer from cover altering wargear such as frag grenades.

i've had this argument many a times. if counted as being being shot at night it would clearly state that as they did with the cover rule. however they said it was as if they where in night fight, but not quite.

hope this clears things up for yah
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Old 07 Apr 2006, 03:13   #7 (permalink)
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Tau vs Tau?
War practice? War games?

Anyway, no, sorry shasoshinova, but I'm in the same mess.
(maybe is just my limited comprehension of english, I got lost in your syntax. Seriously)

A simple example then:
My Df with SMS fire at a group of Sniper Drones under their SGF. (They are in range)
What happens?
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Old 07 Apr 2006, 03:42   #8 (permalink)
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You roll for spotting distance as if it were any other unit firing on the drones.
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Of course the Tau fight the Tau, how else would you determine whose Greater Good is better? :
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Default Re: SMS vs. Stealth field

As stated, the SFG only comes into affect when checking line of sight. An SMS does not need to check LOS in the first place, and so the stealth field has no effect.

I don't have my codex here, but IIRC it was stated somewhere that the SMS is not affected by night fight etc as it does not have to test LOS.

(Fluffwise - you could probably say they're heat seaking or something, rather than having 'eyes' on them and trying to distinquish between 'fuzzy' targets)
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