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Old 06 Apr 2006, 02:57   #1 (permalink)
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Recently, T0nka posted his favorite Crisis unit:
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3 XV8 Crisis Battlesuits (203)
- [Plasma, Burst Cannon, Multitracker]
- [Plasma, Burst Cannon, Multitracker]
- [Teamleader, Plasma, TL Burst Cannon, HW Multitracker, HWDC + 2 SD's]
203 points... wow. I want to compare it to a five-man stealth team, with five gun drones.

All calculations assume that two ML bring their BS up to BS5

First, against GEQ

Crisis:
9 Burst cannon shots
7.4997 hit
6.295 wound

Three plasma shots
2.4999 hit
2.08 wound

So against GEQ:
8-9 wounds at 18"
10-11 wounds at 12"

What of MEQ?

9 Burst Cannon shots
7.4997 hit
4.994 wound
1.6632 go unsaved!

Three plasma shots!
2.4999 hit
2.08 wound

So, against MEQ:
3-4 dead at 18"
5-6 dead at 12"

[hr]

The Stealth Team enters! Five men in cloaking fields, five Xar'vesa obey their commands!

GEQ

20 Burst Cannon shots
16.666 hit
13.8 wound!

13-14 kills at 18"

MEQ
20 Burst Cannon shots
16.666 hit
11.09 wound
3.696 go unsaved!

3-4 wounds at 18"

[hr]

Final Analysis

At 18" against Marines, the two teams are almost exactly equal! But the stealths are better against GEQ. HOWEVER, the Burning Eyes are better against Marines at 12" than the Stealths.

The stealths have pinning power, a stealth field, and infiltrate.

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Someday, people will learn that AP isn't everything
So, what do you guys think?
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Old 06 Apr 2006, 03:02   #2 (permalink)
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In my opinion, stealth teams have always been king:P
But my crisis [PR, flamer, MT, give one AFP for kicks, and 2 shield drones]x2 team is the god who made stealths king:P
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Old 06 Apr 2006, 03:08   #3 (permalink)
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Yeah I've known that for a while but never really tried to test it out. To chicken really.
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Old 06 Apr 2006, 03:34   #4 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by MechTau

203 points... wow. I want to compare it to a five-man stealth team, with five gun drones.

All calculations assume that two ML bring their BS up to BS5


The Stealth Team enters! Five men in cloaking fields, five Xar'vesa obey their commands!

GEQ

20 Burst Cannon shots
16.666 hit
13.8 wound!

13-14 kills at 18"



The stealths have pinning power, a stealth field, and infiltrate.

So, what do you guys think?
you listed the stealths as shooting 20 burst shots...where actually they are shooting 15 burst @BS 5 and 5 T/L pulse carbines @BS4
that may change your stats a litttle bit i think
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p.s tonka's team actually costs 213pts !!
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Old 06 Apr 2006, 03:51   #5 (permalink)
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It would only make them better... FYI.
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Old 06 Apr 2006, 03:52   #6 (permalink)
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you listed the stealths as shooting 20 burst shots...where actually they are shooting 15 burst @BS 5 and 5 T/L pulse carbines @BS4
that may change your stats a litttle bit i think
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p.s tonka's team actually costs 213pts !!
Please note, he listed 5 Stealth suits with 5 drones, for a 200 point squad.
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Old 06 Apr 2006, 06:29   #7 (permalink)
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@ Mechtau - well if it makes em better FMI....
then you short changed yourself in your first post of stats

Quote - Savient -
"Please note, he listed 5 Stealth suits with 5 drones, for a 200 point squad."

...yes i did note he costed his squad at 200pts,im glad your reading along with all of us ;D i was actually helping him by mentioning that tonka's cost was under quoted !!!

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I have one question.

You are going to a tournament, which would you take with you?

They are both respectable but you can only have one, so which?

I like stealth, but would like some form of close action weaponary if things got a little tight and the crisis would probably be better here.

I would choose stealth, I think!! :
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if your still thinking that means your undecided... Who has more survivablity? better saves. Both do more the same right? Point costs? All been taken into account. I love the old stealth suits.
thus o shovahs crisis army with forge world models makes you satisfied all over again. I'd go the suits. they are flexible. why not take both though. 1 unit of stealths still punches right in the crotch.
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Old 06 Apr 2006, 13:27   #10 (permalink)
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The old stealth suits still live:P
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