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Shas'Saal
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I just bought the new codex today, and I know this is probably an obvious oversight, but in the 'wargear' section of the new codex it states that you cannot take two of the same wargear, specifically overriding the weapons by affixing a second cost (for the twinlinked version). Drones are specifically listed under wargear with an individual cost. It may be rules nitpicky, but this seems to specifically disallow more than 1 drone of the same type.
Under the wargear entry for the Drone controller it says 1 or 2 drones in any combination, but does not specifically override the 1 per wargear limitation. This cannot be what they intended. |
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Shas'Saal
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You can have 2 of the same, they are not using hardpoints in the armor, and they are not wargear. The wargear is the drone controller, and of that you can only have one.
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Shas'Saal
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It doesn't say anything about the drones using/not using a hard point. It only says cannot pick the same item twice -- please refer also to the infantry wargear section. Same issue, yet hardpoints are not even in the equation.
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Shas'La
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By letter of the rule, he seems right...
However, read the description of the Drone Controller entry... These contradict one another. It seems to be a mistake on GW's part. You may choose one or two gun, shield, or marker drones "in any combination."
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Shas'Saal
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Anyway, the Drones description is clear enough:
"...must take one or two gun, marker or shield droneS, in any combination" Any combination also means two of the same. I can see your point, no discussion there. I chose to think that the drone description override the limit, or that is just no applicable. Drones are in the wargear list, but you don't "wear" them, you just control them. If not, the drone description should have been more like "...must take one or two gun, marker or shield drones, but not more than one kind of dron per controller" Or something like that. |
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Shas'O
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agree. but i think its most effective to use two drones of same type anyway
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Shas'Saal
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To play devil's advocate, that last line is just redundant if they had really intended just one kind of drone per controller, since it's covered by that other rule. "In any combination" gets the point across rather well, I think - you may take any combination of gun, marker, or shield drones. You're also not allowed to take more than one gun, marker, or shield drone per Controller, as per the general wargear rule.
The problem is that 'one or two gun, marker, or shield drones', without that 'any combination' bit, can mean that you can't actually take both a gun and a marker drone. There isn't a contradiction, though. At least, there's no more of one than there is in any other set of 40k rules. Things shoot in the shooting phase - Eldar CTM rules contradict this. I'd say that since the drone rules don't make clear that 'any combination' includes two of the same drone (something that I don't think is at all an implicit part of the statement, though is obviously meant to be true), the wargear rule stands. For example, If you could pick two days of the week, in any combination, you couldn't pick Monday twice. We don't know that drones don't work this way too, and so we can't use the 'any combination' bit to argue the wargear rule. In short, only going by the quotes provided in this thread, I'm thinking that the rules don't let you take identical drones. |
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Shas'Saal
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Drodo, it's your interpretation, but the sentence under drone controllers can be read either way. However, the entry under the wargear sections cannot be misread - 1 and only 1 item (of which drones are one).
I hope that wasn't their intent, but, who knows? The drone description (or drone controller) could easily have been written to avoid ambiguity, but it isn't. A simple 'up to two' in the wargear list would have done it. |
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Shas'Saal
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That could be soooo fun...
And totally eliminate the option of a cheap ml drones team. Not been able to take two of the same is most frustrating in a lot of cases. And just plain weird. It should be more easy for a controller to control two of the same, that two totally different drones. mmm... *sounds sushi to me... ----------- However, sad as it can be, I agree with you: only by rules you can only pick one of each... |
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Ethereal
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Send an e-mail to the rulez boyz if you think it will come up during a game. I am getting a little tired of all of the second-guessing people are doing about the updated codex, but I will grant you that there does appear to be a contradiction. Given the vast amount of material we have featuring two gun drones per battlesuit, I think we can probably say that the limit is not meant to apply in this case, but the literal "logical" interpretation restricts you to one drone of each type.
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