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Difficult question concering the movement in the CC-Phase
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Old 07 Mar 2006, 10:52   #1 (permalink)
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Default Difficult question concering the movement in the CC-Phase

The rules for the TAU jetpack are saying that it provides a max. 6" movement in the CC-Phase.
If a XV8 oder XV15/25 Team is using marker drones, is it still allowed to use its movement in the CC-Phase ??

1.) Movement - - Unit stands still - no movement
2.) Firing -- Unit fire's including heavy weapons ( marker )

Is it possible for the team to fulfill its turn, using the additional CC-movement provides by the TAU jetpack ???

a.) Yes, due the rules for the TAU jetback in the 40K Rulebook
b.) No, due the rules of firing heavy weapons, which are forbidding any movement in addition with fireing heavy weapons

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Old 07 Mar 2006, 10:55   #2 (permalink)
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The rules for the TAU jetpack are saying that it provides a max. 6" movement in the CC-Phase.
If a XV8 oder XV15/25 Team is using marker drones, is it still allowed to use its movement in the CC-Phase ??

1.) Movement - - Unit stands still - no movement
2.) Firing -- Unit fire's including heavy weapons ( marker )

Is it possible for the team to fulfill its turn, using the additional CC-movement provides by the TAU jetpack ???

a.) Yes, due the rules for the TAU jetback in the 40K Rulebook
b.) No, due the rules of firing heavy weapons, which are forbidding any movement in addition with fireing heavy weapons

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I play Tau so long what is cc. If they get to close run away. A perfevt Tau game is to kill everything before the enemy could touch you.
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Old 07 Mar 2006, 11:03   #3 (permalink)
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The background is a team of XV15/25 and marker-drones or Xv8 with markerdrones.

If they do fire ( including a heavy weapon ) the first possibility would be that they were able to withdraw or re-arrange AFTER firing.
The second and ( much worse ) possibility would be, the they must not move, cause they fired a heavy weapon which is forbiddig any movement ( even though they have a TAU jetpack ).
So you might stand like a "sitting duck" using marker drones....

so what ??
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Old 07 Mar 2006, 11:09   #4 (permalink)
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With the marker drone they still can move 6" and get the free 6" assault move. But you wouldn't be able to use the marker light if you moved in the movement phase. But if was not to move in the movement phase than you could marker light and move in the assault phase.

To get around this you'll need the advanced stabiliser system which allows you to move and shoot heavy weapons. It has draw backs due to the fact you have to roll to move your suits. But you'll be able to markerlight while moving. Than you can use your 6" move in the assault phase still.
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I would think it works like with regular Stealth suits. Markerlights are always heavy weapons, and you can still perform assault phase jump even if you "fired" a markerlight in your shooting phase.
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Old 07 Mar 2006, 11:11   #6 (permalink)
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According to the Tau faq (which was written for the previous codex!) you can move in the assault phase even though you stayed still in the movement phase and shot with the marker light.

Naturally GW may change their stance on this now that there is a new codex.

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Old 07 Mar 2006, 11:16   #7 (permalink)
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Almost right but I'n not sure if you understood the question ( neither my english )

There are to controverse rules:

Rule 1 means, that you're not allowed to move or assault when you want to fire any heavy weapon until you got special rules.

Rule 2 means, that the TAU jetpack can be used in the assault phase to withdraw or move in ANY direction, also to avoid an assault.

There is no entry in the new codex concering the special case, that a remaining stationary squad consisting of 3 x XV8 and 2 x Markerdrones, firing all its weapons INCLUDING the heavy ones, is a.) allowed to move in the assault phase or b.) has to stand still.

It's not clear which rule is the dominating rule.
The Jetpack or the rules about firing heavy weapons !

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Unfortuately GW's new codex TAU is setting the old one and its FAQ out of order, immediately ....
That's the problem in a hot discussion concerning this problem in a german board...



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Old 07 Mar 2006, 11:28   #8 (permalink)
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Almost right but I'm not sure if you understood the question ( neither my English )

There are to controversy rules:

Rule 1 means, that you're not allowed to move or assault when you want to fire any heavy weapon until you got special rules.

Rule 2 means, that the TAU jetpack can be used in the assault phase to withdraw or move in ANY direction, also to avoid an assault.

There is no entry in the new codex concerning the special case, that a remaining stationary squad consiting of 3 x XV8 and 2 x Markerdrones, firing all its weapons INCLUDING the heavy ones, is a.) allowed to move in the assault phase or b.) has to stand still.

It's not clear which rules is the dominating rule.
The Jetpack or the rules about firing heavy weapons !

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@Zustiur

Unfortunately GW's new codex TAU is setting the old one and its FAQ out of order, immediately ....
That's the problem in a hot discussion concerning this problem in a German board...



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It's in the new codex. I have to look at it and give you a reference page. It was also in the FAQ as well. I remember seeing it cause I made a comment about it.
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That would be great ....
Thank you, very much.
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Here is a link to the chapter approved FAQ 4.0 that answers that question. I'll have to find where in the new codex it says it to so you'll have a reference in there as well. But I think it was in the section talking about the jetpacks.

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/4...u_faq_v4-0.pdf

But remember this is before the new codex though like night fight rules and stealth suits is differant as well as the kroot abilities as well. But this is a correction to the old codex.
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