[E1rond]

Can someone tell me why tau are better than SM,they just seem so much better. Ex. 3 F.W(30 pts) vs. 2 SM(30 pts) assume that is their normal troop size. They are 40 inches apart. Who do you think is gonna win? We have superior firepower, but so what? One normal troop can screw us in cc!

[Lanfeix]

with rilfes we win easly, with carbines we loss but with chance it could go either way

but there are other factors which could change these results by cover and the like.

[Olannon]

Ex. 3 F.W(30 pts) vs. 2 SM(30 pts)

Do the math dude, with bigger numbers so averages will count for more than luck.

Marines beat firewarriors in both HtH and shooting. noone ever said Tau were the better race.

~Olannon

[E1rond]

errr... actualy the space marines would easily get into combat (4 turns of pusle fire) 1.5 hit
1 wds
.3 casulties

so they would kill 1 marine over 4 turns before combat.

2 attacks
2 hits
1.3 wds
.7 casulties


tau

3 attacks
.5 hits
.16 wds
.05 casulties


so, every 2 turns a FW would die, thats 6 turns, in which even if magicly they had 3 attacks a turn (which they wouldn't because they would be dying) they still only have a .6 chance of killing that marine.

BTW I'm igroring man alone and fallbck tests for obvious reasons

[Fire_Warrior 032]

You just said that SM's were better than Tau, when in your original post you said the opposite. Did you change your mind?

Also, no race is "better" or "worse," except with the Tau, because they are "best." ^-^

[chicop76]

well the marine are 40" away. that's along time to get in combat.
turn 1 tau they sut can't shoot no range
turn 1 marines move 34" away from tau
turn 2 tau clean thier weapons out of range
turn 2 marines now 28" away
turn 3 tau shoot 1.5 hit/ .06 wounds / .005 will die
turn 3 marines move 22" away from tau
turn 4 tau shoot 1.5 hit/ 1 will be wounded/ 1/3 chance of dieing
turn 4 marines shoot 2/3 hit / .1 chance to wound/ .o5 chance of dying
or turn 4 they move 16"

bascikly in retrospect at that far away only 1 marine may get the chance of getting in cc
the tau whould had fired 15 shots in total for the marines to get in cc so 7.5 shoots would hit
5 shoots wound killing 1 marine

which the marines would ham a better cance shooting back once they was in range

1marine against 3 tau would be a long fight
the one maine in assault would had 2 attacks 2/3 chance of hitting 2/3 chance of wounging and 50% chance of killing which the tau by luck probly be alive
the three tau has 50% cance to hit and have to wound on a 1/3 and kill on a 1/3 which means the marine will probally live

but It still would be a close fight though unless the marines shoot back than they would win.

[E1rond]

well, right now I think SM are better, but I want to think tau are better, so I set up this post. Unfortunatly, statiscs point toward marines :'(

[E1rond]

uhhh, didn't you read the combat above? The 1 marine beat 3 FW by a wide margin.And you can't move and shoot a rapid fire weapon

[Courtyard Jester]

This is a biased opinion, I think the Tau are better for they are not over-powered. 'Nuff said for me.

[chicop76]

marines have better troops. In this scenerio the marines gonna win in shooting by moving to thier 24 inch range. Or win marginly by 1 marine in cc with 3 tau. If the tau don't run with ldr7 than they would win if the ldr ship is not the issue.

But this like saying who would win out of this fight 3 broadsides bare or a land raider they cost about the same.