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Old 24 Jan 2006, 11:35   #1 (permalink)
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Heres a question

As the tau advance exponentially in their tech and basic experience in warfare with other races... you would think they would attempt to figure out all this psychic pilaver. Now we all know they have next to no warp presence but that doesnt mean they arent affected by psychic powers... obviously.

So the natural line of thought be be along 'how do we nullify this psychic/warp energy?' Would it be possible to construct a pure techological form of anti-psycher weaponry? Im thinking along the same lines as the Librarians Psychic Hood. Perhaps a drone that produces null-presence to disrupt all psychers in a certain radius... forcing leadership checks or saves if the power is used... or a drone with sensors tuned to someone using a psychic power... automatically firing if the models are in LOS forcing a Str5 ap5 shot in any turn phase.

Tau dont necessarily have the means to tap and use the warp themselves but as they skim in space travel they are aware of its presence... so if they can 'detect' it why not shoot at someone or provide a null-field if possible... im tempted to start modelling something along these lines... i play vs a lot of eldar

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Tau have no psykers. As such, their understanding of Psychic, and the Warp, is next to zero. Developing anti-psychic weapons is akin to the Vikings inventing a way to cook chocolate.
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Actually, wargamer it is more like stone age neanderthals making a fighter jet.

But seriously, pravo got a point.
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Well how bout the Nicassar... almost complete psychic entities... and good mates of the tau... that relationship alone would introduce the tau to the warp/psychic abilities... what good are allies if not to help advance tech trees along these lines? The tau have a 'long' history of sharing tech with the Kroot... nicassar, demiurg, and now the vespid... i wouldnt be surprised if an anti psycher technology was in the works with nicassar aide.
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It still isn't that easy. We have used hunting birds and dogs for centuries, but we don't know what it's like to fly, or to be able to track by scent...
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It still isn't that easy. We have used hunting birds and dogs for centuries, but we don't know what it's like to fly, or to be able to track by scent...
Well the same can be said for the marines... Standard templates anyone? Humans havent a clue how to build a volvo in 40k... never mind a Leman Russ... the knowledge was passed down by predecessors who DID know... in the same way.. such knowledge could be shared by allied races and extrapolated to produce weapons. Reverse engineering gave the tau warp engine tech... They managed to 'Dive' at the very least.. what im proposing isnt harnessing the warp... its either merely detecting it... or nullifying it.

I completely agree on the viking->chocolate point... but we arent trying to make the ultimate Black forest gateau... just finding the cocoa bean and perhaps shooting it
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It still isn't that easy. We have used hunting birds and dogs for centuries, but we don't know what it's like to fly, or to be able to track by scent...
Well the same can be said for the marines... Standard templates anyone? Humans havent a clue how to build a volvo in 40k... never mind a Leman Russ... the knowledge was passed down by predecessors who DID know... in the same way.. such knowledge could be shared by allied races and extrapolated to produce weapons. Reverse engineering gave the tau warp engine tech... They managed to 'Dive' at the very least.. what im proposing isnt harnessing the warp... its either merely detecting it... or nullifying it.

I completely agree on the viking->chocolate point... but we arent trying to make the ultimate Black forest gateau... just finding the cocoa bean and perhaps shooting it
At the end of the day other races in 40K can save against psychic powers using inv saves, and technology helps fight psychers (psyche out grenades etc) so why would the Tau not be able to develop a force field generator that dispupts psychic energy, (because thats all it is a form of energy). The Tau would have no trouble analysing and adapting other races solutions to the problems of countering psychics with techno.
So yes I think a HW or shield option for suits would be a welcome addition to the Tau armoury.
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Let's remember, please, that the leaders in the "Anti Psyker" field are the Imperials... who have lots of Psykers of their own. They also have the "Nulls", the most extreme of which are the Culexus Assassins.

Eldar are good at Anti-Psyker, simply by fragging the Psyker's brain with their superior power.

Both of these races are highly psychic, that's why they're good at it.
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It is also uncertain as to whether or not humanity "created" the original nulls. They may have been a natural mutation, or they may have been the influence of some C'Tan or a another. Even so, they are incredibly rare. For the large part, the only way other races block psychic powers is to have psykers there themselves. The best the Tau could do is to find a way to have the Nicassar play a greater role on the battlefield (unlikely) or to absorb another race with strong psychic potential. The Kroot will manifest psychic ability from time to time, but they don't seem to have enough to work out shielding.
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well.. consider this...

Sleep patterns are just alpha and beta waves... these can be reproduced mechanically to aid sleep. Psychic ability, as far as i know is also a form of brain wave pattern... the psychic hood magnifies and focuses these patterns helping Librarians fight off psychic attacks... if this can be done with the hood.. could the tau not work along similar veins? they may not even need to touch the warp.. just understand the brain waves in a human psychers brain and negate them. Create a weapon that disturbs concentration on a primal level.. disrupting the brain waves and concentration required to use the psychic ability... before they even touch the warp. and if they do manage to touch it... possibly warp attack.

If the inquisition can capture an ethereal then why not the tau capture a psycher and do... animal friendly tests

This race focuses on tech that the imperials deem unholy and heretical to study. Nothing stopping the tau from trying to figure it out. at least not as far as i can see in the fluff.

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