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Old 11 Jan 2006, 10:37   #1 (permalink)
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Just how would the Tau go about dominating the galaxy? While each of the other races, without vast opposition could quite easily consume everything, the Tau seem incapable. So what problems do they face? and how could these problems be overcome?

Numerical Superiority - Probably one of the Tau's major disadvantages is their small base, preventing a rapid expansion both through lack of a base population, and attached numbers such as soldiers etc.
One possible step to combat this problem, other than amalgamating other races (which works fine on the small scale, but leads to a thinning of tau resources and manpower) is cloning. In a De-individualised society where the self is second place to the greater good, no such ethical problems would arise from cloning. Indeed if anything You'd probably be happy to be cloned and serve the greater good numerous times.

Transportation - The second greatest stumbling block is a lack of fast, long range travel, in particular warp. Obviously this has ramifications to cultural, military and scientific area's of the Tau.
Perhaps with the Tau's deep understanding of AI the creation of an AIP (artificial intelligent psychic) could be used to both pilot a ship, perhaps with a direct Tau interface while negating the risk of damage from Warp entities and the like as its the machine, rather than the Tau linked to it that is creating that psychic energy.

Critical Mass - Are the Tau now at a point where they can go no further without bringing down the crushing arms of the Eldar, Imperium, Orks, Tyranids? Can peaceful co-existence be bartered for with the Imperium? (as evident on many reclaimed worlds and trade reports) Will absorption of the Tau genome without the guidance of the Ethereal cause the Tyranids to start a Civil war amongst themselves that even the Hive mind can't control?

Just fishing for a "Tau future" of sorts around those points. No killing me *hides*
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They can't, pure and simple.

The Tau are an odd race... realistically, they belong in the same category as the Tarellians, Xenarch, Hrud, Knib, Demiurg, Kroot and Loxatl; races with background, perhaps rules, but not "armies" like the Orks, Eldar, etc.

And yet, they are pushed as if they were one of the galaxy's heavyweights.

The Tau can't conquer the galaxy, all they can do is survive in it.
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Well a rephrasing them....how can the Tau compete in a galaxy where the odds seem stacked against them?

And i have just fished through 55 pages of topics and found most focus around the "Tau should be dead" and "GW fluff is rather lack-luster" (atleast in concern to Necrons ;D ) So i thought i'd go for a Tauish, "How could the Tau survive" slant.
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Well to be honest, it has been done a lot in the Tau board... but the general concept is that they survive by not being as big a threat as the other foes in the galaxy.
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Once they start travelling in the warp they might get more attention. A good campaign would be to see if they can cope with more focused hostilities from the Imperium etc. They might just get pushed back to T'au and the major spet worlds or they might be able to win and carry on expanding.
Or, of course, they could be wiped out...
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This has been done to death, simply, the Tau are a local power, but because they have good models, interesting style of play etc, they are used as an army. Otherwise they threaten the imperium on the same level as the Scythians and Tarellians......well....maybe a bit more...but then they never had the entire of the Crimson Fist 2nd founding chapter bear down on them.
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From my understanding they're not really interested in conquering the galaxy though, are they? I mean, at least from the codex (I don't read the novels) it seems like they like to expand but they don't necessarily want to rule everything.

I'd imagine their greatest strength is in their philosophy. They allow anyone to become a part of their empire. I don't think they really CARE whether their particular species is most prevalent as long as the greater good is served. They also offer technology and a stable society to anyone willing to join with them (even the Orks though that of course was a failure). With all that in mind it'd only be a matter of time before they've managed to amass more species into the cult of the Greater Good than any of the other races have people.



I've got a question though. Are the Tau and Eldar allies? If not, why?
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Because as far as the Eldar are concerned, Tau are vermin.
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Numerical Superiority - Probably one of the Tau's major disadvantages is their small base, preventing a rapid expansion both through lack of a base population, and attached numbers such as soldiers etc.
One possible step to combat this problem, other than amalgamating other races (which works fine on the small scale, but leads to a thinning of tau resources and manpower) is cloning. In a De-individualised society where the self is second place to the greater good, no such ethical problems would arise from cloning. Indeed if anything You'd probably be happy to be cloned and serve the greater good numerous times.
As they expand their holdings their population grows. Also they convert other races to their side quite effectively as can be seen by the growing number of happy Tau Auxila regiments of what once used to be Imperial guardsmen. In addition there are the demis, the Kroot, the Nicsar, and the other races which the tau recruit and convert quite happily to their cause.

Also with the extremely intelligent Tau strategy of not throwing troops into a meat grinder, not holding land for the sheer sake of holding land, and willingness to retreat until they have better odds the Tau lose a lot less troops in combat than pretty much any other race.

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Transportation - The second greatest stumbling block is a lack of fast, long range travel, in particular warp. Obviously this has ramifications to cultural, military and scientific area's of the Tau.
Perhaps with the Tau's deep understanding of AI the creation of an AIP (artificial intelligent psychic) could be used to both pilot a ship, perhaps with a direct Tau interface while negating the risk of damage from Warp entities and the like as its the machine, rather than the Tau linked to it that is creating that psychic energy.
This also comes from their converts, many Imperial ships and guardsmen went over to the Tau after the Damocles crusade and the Tau adopted the ships into their own forces. This included the Navigators who are now part of the Tau and using their services for the greater good. Within time the Tau will have their own navigators and be able to use the warp just like everyone else.

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Critical Mass - Are the Tau now at a point where they can go no further without bringing down the crushing arms of the Eldar, Imperium, Orks, Tyranids? Can peaceful co-existence be bartered for with the Imperium? (as evident on many reclaimed worlds and trade reports) Will absorption of the Tau genome without the guidance of the Ethereal cause the Tyranids to start a Civil war amongst themselves that even the Hive mind can't control?
The Tau do expand into Imperial Territory and in other directions as well and fight the Orcs, Tyranids, and Imperium where they have to. Also the Imperium can't bring enough force to bear on the Tau without leaving themselves open to being destroyed. The resources necesarry to destroy the Tau would cause a vaccuum in Imperial forces and result in a huge invasion of Orcs, Chaos, and Tyranids that would cause the Imperium to lose more than it could ever possibly hope to gain from the attempt. Also with the speed that Tau technology advances they're just going to get father and father ahead of Orcs and the Imperium so they will counter superior numbers with superior morale (they don't have things like punishment legions or conscripts), superior tactics(not fighting over worthless mudballs), and superior technology.

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Because as far as the Eldar are concerned, Tau are vermin.
Actually from what I've read in the Tau codex and other books the Eldar like the Tau. In the Tau codex there is a quote from a farseer saying they show a lot of promise. Just where are you pulling this fact from?

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The Eldar have fought alongside the Imperium before... that doesn't change the fact they consider them "Monkeigh scum". Eldar stopped being "Good Guys" back in second Edition. The idea of them getting pally with the Tau goes against what they are as a race; fickle and selfish.
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