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Old 04 Dec 2005, 17:33   #1 (permalink)
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Old 04 Dec 2005, 18:27   #2 (permalink)
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urgh. Do you have any more models?

The fire warriors should run away when the berserkers get too close, even if this means they can't fire anymore. If you give them 6 carbines, they can run and fire.

The drones are a decent choice here because of the move-and-shoot capability... sort of. You might consider maxing out the squad to reduce how often you get stuck with LD4. They're the first thing I would drop though, as they're fragile and expensive.

Crisis suits fare pretty well against bolters. Consider taking 3 elite crisis. Configurations could range from twin plasma, for swatting marines at range, plasma-fusion-multi, for close range carnage, or twin fusion for three close range shots that will probably hit and will definitely deny armor and feel no pain saves.

If you have a broadside, give it twin plasma and a multitracker. This is a cheap way to get rid of the dreadnought, and afterwards you can fire 2-3 armor ignoring, twinlinked shots at the berserkers. Alternatively you might consider ignoring the dreadnought. This will depend on what weapons it has. A missile launcher could cause problems dropping frag grenades on your troops. A lascannon will fry any suits that get caught in the open, but if you can keep them behind terrain it is a waste of points. At all times be careful with a broadside against lascannons. It is one of the few marine weapons that negate your 2+ save.

If you have a hammerhead, give it an ion cannon. Ion cannons are great for killing expensive things with 3+ saves.

You might want to drop to a shas'el. The BS boost is an overpriced upgrade, generally only worth it in large games. The other stat boosts are usually negligeable, as they are in this case. Do you need an HQ in this game? Consider whether you can downgrade to all elites and get more shots.
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Old 04 Dec 2005, 18:36   #3 (permalink)
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Hmm...he's cheating. The only way to get the 4+ inv save is to be an Aspiring Champion, and the only way for them all to be aspiring champs is if they're chosen, which are elites and therefore can't fill his troop requirements.
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Old 04 Dec 2005, 19:00   #4 (permalink)
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He's talking about feel no pain, I think, which is pretty close to an invulnerable save so people call it that because they're lazy. I'm not talking about toastmaster here, I hear it all the time.

But if he's using a real 4+ invuln save, yes he's cheating.
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Old 04 Dec 2005, 19:04   #5 (permalink)
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Old 04 Dec 2005, 19:07   #6 (permalink)
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Basically, it's a 4+ save he may take if he fails his 3+ save or isn't allowed to take his normal save. Feel No Pain doesn't work vs. melee weapons that ignore saves (ALLY yourself with the Harlequin Wraithlord Today! Or take a Carnosaur) or insta-kill weapons (e.g. Railgun, Fusion Gun, Seeker Missiles), or The thing though is that only Aspiring Champions/characters may take this; you can't give it to every Berzerker. That said, get your Crisis Suits ready to paste him with Plasma.
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Old 04 Dec 2005, 19:13   #7 (permalink)
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Old 04 Dec 2005, 19:25   #8 (permalink)
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Right...or a Seeker Missile...or a Railgun...or if you somehow manage to find a way to sneak a power weapon into the army (Try using a Harlequin Wraithlord from Citadel Journal! The best counter to cheese is cheddar).
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Old 04 Dec 2005, 20:57   #9 (permalink)
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No, the 4+ invulnerable sv is for world eaters, khorne bersekers specifically, its called ignore wound. And toastmaster, you forgot specter's berserkers have axe of khorne, so they ignore armor saves and get to attack again if they roll a 6 to wound. >
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