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Old 17 Oct 2005, 10:57   #1 (permalink)
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I have always dreaded playing against IG, since I've been told they can field millions of guns. I have now played three games against IG (using mecha), all three of them I managed to inflict victorius slaughter on them (one games the VP difference was 2890!!!).

Is IG an easy army to beat with mecha? With hybrid/static? Or did my opponents just suck badly?
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Old 17 Oct 2005, 11:04   #2 (permalink)
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Any army, in the hands of an experienced and skilled player will be a difficult game.

by the same stroke, if an idiot plays it, deploys wrong, makes bad decisions, and you don't you will win, unless you have attrociously bad dice rolls.

No army is easy or difficult to play against. only players....
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Any army, in the hands of an experienced and skilled player will be a difficult game.

by the same stroke, if an idiot plays it, deploys wrong, makes bad decisions, and you don't you will win, unless you have attrociously bad dice rolls.

No army is easy or difficult to play against. only players....
I must agree, however it also depends on luck, since dice are concerned
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No army is easy or difficult to play against. only players....
No offense, but I don't buy that. I agree that better players are much harder to beat, but saying that the army has nothing to do with it just feels way off. Why then is it universally held that Necrons are Tau's hardest match-up? Surely not because they have the best players.
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Old 17 Oct 2005, 15:50   #5 (permalink)
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No army is easy or difficult to play against. only players....
No offense, but I don't buy that. I agree that better players are much harder to beat, but saying that the army has nothing to do with it just feels way off. Why then is it universally held that Necrons are Tau's hardest match-up? Surely not because they have the best players.
Yes the Necron are the hardest matchup. And you are right - the army has some role to play. That having been said. If you play a 12 year old who has played exactly three times and loves the "cool dead guy" look of Necrons, you will still smash him unless:
1. You too have only played three times and do not know what you are doing.
2. You have aboslutely the worst luck ever.

I'm not trying to knock all 12 year olds. However, as a general rule they tend to have a more linear perspective of the game and lack creative use of tactics. And because the particular kid in this example are inexerienced he may not make full use of some of their special rules and abilities.

It all boils down to: Some armies forgive mistakes better than others - but none are immune. A good player that can exploit an opponents weakness (from any source) is more likely to win.
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Imperial guard will get eaten alive by static Tau armies. My imperial guard army has only won 3/9 games against tau. My tau have won every single game against imperial guard. Imperial Guard are a veterans army and very hard to play, a singe mistake with them can mean defeat, heck deploying wrong with imperial guard can cost you the game. And the fact that guardsmen go down on a 2+ and Leman russes on a 4 from the rails. Imperial guard are great against some armies, but in my opinion they are designed to get defeated my tau.
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Old 17 Oct 2005, 16:50   #7 (permalink)
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Imperial guard will get eaten alive by static Tau armies. And the fact that guardsmen go down on a 2+ and Leman russes on a 4 from the rails. Imperial guard are great against some armies, but in my opinion they are designed to get defeated my tau.

Er...no. You won't be saying that when 12 ogryns jump out of a pair of chimeras and eat your lunch. Or when your static lines eat 3 pie plates on turn 1. Or when your pair of railheads take 3 turns to kill one leman russ. See, it takes a 3 to hit, a 4 to penetrate, and a 4 to destroy. Each rail shot has a 1/6 chance of destroying a leman russ...it's not as easy as it looks, even for the tau. The only part of that statement that makes sense is that IG take an unsaved wound on a 2+...if you hit. Are IG easier for Tau than marines? Of course! Any army without power armor is. But Tau were not designed as "the IG killers".

It goes back to the skill thing. A skilled IG player's firing line will be more than 30" from you. His tanks will present front armor only. He will get an assault element into your firing line. You'll have a real fight on your hands.

A dumb IG player will try to get 24" away so he can shoot flashlights at you. You will easily get side shots against his tanks. He will have a IGSAFH army, as in no assault element. That army will be easy to beat...
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actually i don't know a single person in my city that owns ogryn, let alone uses them. And leman russes never last long against broadsides, stats may say something but everyone hides tanks from railguns, don't know why people just see str 10 ap1 and they think Emperor help use bring in the Titans.
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in small games, an imperial guard player can destroy tau, but onlyt if you don't know what you are doing. if you are a static army and you suck at placement and he comes at you with a chainsword squad like my friend did, you are nothing but kroothound meat. likewwise, don't buy a bunch of FWs and stay in one spot in the open if IG boy has a lascannon/autocannon within range. and even then, you will still get bassilisked to a bloody pulp.
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Old 17 Oct 2005, 17:58   #10 (permalink)
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A matchup with a good IG player is actually something I've dreaded for a while, but haven't had to deal with as of yet.

The problem with IG is they have lots of neat toys, and most commanders like to buy lots of them. This cuts down on their greatest strength: huge numbers of troops with special/heavy weapons. People will spend money trying to buy doctrines, or close-combat specialists, and this just makes them weaker. Some will focus on buying lots of tanks and chimeras, which makes them vulnerable to AT heavy lists. I just posted a battle report where my opponent did something fairly similar, paying lots of points for doctrines, Inquisitors, etc....and I cleaned his clock.

A good player, however, will have a list with loads of heavy weapons. With 48" range, your tanks will have a hard time operating. A basilisk (or two) can cause incredible problems, and are difficult to take out....you'll see a thread in this forum currently talking about the problems of facing 2 basilisks. If you play static, your firewarriors will kill many guardsmen, but their heavy bolters and autocannons will cut your more expensive troops down quickly, too. Your vehicles will blast squads fairly easily, but you'll risk several lascannon shots in return.

Some armies do better against others, although player skill and list specifics are also very important. I've just recently started my IG force, and I can see them doing very well against Tau.
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