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Old 10 Sep 2013, 08:36   #1 (permalink)
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So, a friend of mine and I came across this in a play test and we weren't quite sure how this was normally taken care of. In the unit description, it states that a shield drone as a shield generator as wargear. That shield generator in turn "confers a 4+ invulnerable Save." Which I had assumed referred to an individual model. So, in a unit with shield drones, it would make sense that the only time that particular invulnerable save is applied is against wounds that could be suffered by the model with the shield generator, in this case the shield drone. If a unit with a shield drone were being fired at where the shield drone itself was not being threatened with a wound, the unit would not enjoy the invulnerable save 'conferred' by its wargear.

The suggestion was that shield drones confer that save to the whole unit whilst they are functioning and thus would not just provide invulnerable saves against the specific model but for any model in the unit with the shield drone. The rule isn't terribly specific on what the save is conferred to, and since wound allocation is determined by positioning it wouldn't be terribly hard for a unit to suffer a wound against some other model first.

So then dear scholars and gentlemen (and ladies), which interpretation is accepted as correct?

Shield drones only provide an invulnerable save to a unit when that specific model being allocated a wound.

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Shield drones provide an invulnerable save to a unit regardless of which model is being allocated a wound.

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Old 12 Sep 2013, 00:33   #2 (permalink)
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Shield generators only provide an invulnerable save to the model with the shield generator (in this case the shield drone). The benefits of the shield drone then, are that you can place them at the front of a more expensive unit, where they act as cheap (12 point) additional wound while they are alive... and more interestingly for purposes of independent characters using Look Out Sir, in which the drone can be at the back and simply intercept the really dangerous stuff from killing the squad leader.
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Old 12 Sep 2013, 11:10   #3 (permalink)
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Hilarious good fun. I can see that being incredibly unfair / useful in commander bombs. Can any drones do this, or only the shield drones?
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Old 12 Sep 2013, 13:17   #4 (permalink)
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any but shield drones do it best for obvious reasons
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Old 12 Sep 2013, 14:23   #5 (permalink)
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look out sir, apply after other saving throws, rendering the inv. save useless
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Incorrect. Look Out Sir is done after wound allocation which in a mixed unit means it is done before saving throws but after roles to wound are made.
See 'Mixed Saves' under Allocate Wounds and Remove Casualties on page 15 of the BRB for details.
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Old 15 Sep 2013, 20:47   #7 (permalink)
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dang it been playing it wrong, thanks....
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Old 15 Sep 2013, 21:50   #8 (permalink)
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So in this scenario, lets say a lascannon has rolled to hit and wound on a unit. Then, a look out sir roll would be made to allow a shield drone to take the hit for a crisis suit. If that roll was successful, the wound would then be allocated to the shield drone and thus enjoying the invuln save it carries. Is that correct?
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Old 24 Oct 2013, 12:12   #9 (permalink)
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I think the Drone just has to be at the front. A crisis suit is not a character, unless theres a drone specific rule?

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Look Out Sir may only be used by models with the 'character' sub-unit type. For a battlesuit team this would be Shas'Vre models or above (Shas'O). So, assuming your squad had something like:

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Shield drone

And the Shas'Vre was the closest target to the enemy Lascannon, you would roll to wound as though the Shas'Vre had been hit, and if the wound succeeded you could then roll a LOS on a 4+ (2+ if it was an independent character like a Shas'O, and automatic if it was an independent character with the sworn protector special rule in a squad of Shas'Vre), which if you succeeded would allocate that wound to the shield drone instead. You would then roll the shield drone's invulnerable save and if you failed, you would remove the drone instead of the battlesuit.

Alternatively, if the drone were just in front, it would be the closest target and thus be wounded by all the incoming damage first (needing to die before allocating wound on to the models behind it).
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