[Adam3004]

Title says all. Dont be afraid to criticise

Tau Empire Army List A

HQ:

Commander Shas'el and Bodyguard - 192
Shas'el w/ PR, MP, TA, HW MT, Stimulant Injector.
Bodyguard w/ CIB, PR, TA, HW MT.

Elites:

XV8 Squad - 167
2 XV8 Battlesuits /w PRs, MPs, MTs.
1 XV8 Battlesuit /w TL MP.


6 Firewarriors w/ Devilfish w/ Gundrones, Disruption Pod, Flechette Discharger - 155
6 Firewarriors w/ Devilfish w/ Gundrones, Disruption Pod - 145
10 Fire Warriors + 6 Photon Grenades - 106
10 Kroots - 70


Fast Attack:

Heavy Support:

Hammerhead /w Railgun, Disruption Pod, Burst Cannons, MT - 165



Total: 1000

That was A here comes B
Tau Empire Army List B

HQ:

Commander Shas'el and Bodyguard - 192
Shas'el w/ PR, FB, TA, HW MT, Stimulant Injector.
Bodyguard w/ CIB, PR, TA, HW MT.

Elites:

XV8 Squad - 167
2 XV8 Battlesuits /w PRs, Missile Pods, MTs.
1 XV8 Battlesuit /w TL Missile Pod.
Troops:

6 Firewarriors w/ Devilfish w/ Gundrones, Disruption Pod, Flechette Discharger - 155
6 Firewarriors w/ Devilfish w/ Gundrones, Disruption Pod - 145
10 Fire Warriors - 100
10 Kroots - 70
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Fast Attack:
Piranha w/ FB, Disruption Pod - 70

Heavy Support:

Single Broadside Leader w/ TL Railgun, SMS, ASS, HW-DC, 1 SD - 100


Total: 1000

Here comes C

Tau Empire Army List C

HQ:

Commander Shas'el and Bodyguard - 200
Shas'el w/ PR, MP, TA, HW MT, Stimulant Injector, HW TL, HW DC, 1 SD.
Bodyguard w/ CIB, BC, TA, HW MT.

Elites:

XV8 Squad - 206
2 XV8 Battlesuit Shas’ui /w PRs, MPs, MTs.
1 XV8 Battlesuit Shas’ui Leader /w PR, MP, MT, HW DC, 1 SD

Troops:

1st Firewarrior Team - 155
6 Firewarriors w/ Devilfish w/ Gundrones, Disruption Pod, Flechette Discharger.

2nd Firewarrior Team - 145
6 Firewarriors w/ Devilfish w/ Gundrones, Disruption Pod.

3rd Firewarrior Team - 104
10 Firewarriors + 4 Photon Grenades.

Heavy Support:

Broadside Team - 190
1 XV88 Shas’ui with ASS
1 XV88 Shas’ui Leader with ASS, HW TL, HW MT, HW DC, 1 SD


So what do ya think?
Dont be afraid to criticise(Yes, Again)

[Armadon]

I like list C but it all depends on your playstyle.

[Antisocialnerd]

Well first of all did these really win tournaments ...really because none of them look like tournament winners to me a lot of unnecessary junk in these lists i'm looking at you photon grenades and a glaring problem in C with your commander and bodyguard being too differently loaded out one for space marines one for horde not gonna work though i acknowledge the potential of the CIB to get space marine kills.

First all suits in a squad should be similarly kitted with weapons for both purpose and range.

i also wouldn't recommend using fire warriors without a devilfish

C is the most salvageable decide what your HQ is going to kill replace the third firewarrior team with kroot or bolster the existing teams for fish of fury

Take the ASS off the broadsides in favor of TA's i would also be in favor of splitting that team so you can save on the TL and have the benefit of dual firebases which would be infinitely more useful tactically than one team with ASS

i also don't really see the point of the multitracker if the broadside has sms.

and i think getting rid of the TA and stimulant injector on the shas'el and turning him to a shas'o would be a better investment overall though this is probably more a matter of opinion and circumstances.


Plus could you tell me what tournaments these won so i could go over and mop the floor with them because i have yet to win a tournament and it'd be nice to say i did.

yeah after seeing this

Originally Posted by Adam3004

A land raider have 14 armor value hasnt it? A fusion blaster have strength 8. That means 1-5 nothing. 6 Glancing hit(-2). AP1 (+1). So you must have double sixes and you cant get exploding. The best you can get is Wrecked.

Official Vehicle Damage Table:
1 or less Crew - Shaken / 1-2
2 Crew - Stunned /3
3 Damaged - Weapon Destroyed /4
4 Damaged - Immobilized /5
5 Destroyed - Wrecked /6
6 or more Destroyed - Exploding / -

Modifiers:
Glancing hit -2 / Yes
Hit by AP - weapon -1 / No
Hit by AP1 Weapon +1 / Yes
Target is open-topped +1 /No

Total - 1

i'm going to just flat out call you a lier over your tournament winning claims and say your a disgrace to the empire there is no way i'm going to believe someone won a tournament without even knowing what a melta weapon is.

[Adam3004]

Originally Posted by Antisocialnerd

Well first of all did these really win tournaments ...really because none of them look like tournament winners to me a lot of unnecessary junk in these lists i'm looking at you photon grenades and a glaring problem in C with your commander and bodyguard being too differently loaded out one for space marines one for horde not gonna work though i acknowledge the potential of the CIB to get space marine kills.

First all suits in a squad should be similarly kitted with weapons for both purpose and range.

i also wouldn't recommend using fire warriors without a devilfish

C is the most salvageable decide what your HQ is going to kill replace the third firewarrior team with kroot or bolster the existing teams for fish of fury

Take the ASS off the broadsides in favor of TA's i would also be in favor of splitting that team so you can save on the TL and have the benefit of dual firebases which would be infinitely more useful tactically than one team with ASS

i also don't really see the point of the multitracker if the broadside has sms.

and i think getting rid of the TA and stimulant injector on the shas'el and turning him to a shas'o would be a better investment overall though this is probably more a matter of opinion and circumstances.


Plus could you tell me what tournaments these won so i could go over and mop the floor with them because i have yet to win a tournament and it'd be nice to say i did.

yeah after seeing this



i'm going to just flat out call you a lier over your tournament winning claims and say your a disgrace to the empire there is no way i'm going to believe someone won a tournament without even knowing what a melta weapon is.

Hmm... i aint no lier. I have won with all of them, believe me or not, i dont really care what you think.

[Antisocialnerd]

Originally Posted by Adam3004

Hmm... i aint no lier. I have won with all of them, believe me or not, i dont really care what you think.

Well you may not care what i think all of a sudden but you must care what some people here think since your asking for advice on your lists so for fear of people agreeing with me don't you think you should provide some evidence or links to the "tournaments" you won oh and backyard tournies with a few of your mates don't count as tournaments and if these lists have won tournaments why are you asking for advice they WON tournaments don't fix what ain't broken would be a logical approach don't you think.

[Armadon]

Hey now, I sense negative activity... anyway, can we go back to dicussing what's the best force for certain situations on his part? Wether he won a tourny or not makes no diffrence to the subject, if you mates want to duke it out make a new post about it ok? Also I think he means backyard tourneys, which are technically unofficial tourneys, but count as a win either way. Now on to the subject. What do you mostly fight again?

[maddosammo]

hey i like all of them really but mainly B also like armadon asked who was your opponant(s)

[Adam3004]

Originally Posted by maddosammo

hey i like all of them really but mainly B also like armadon asked who was your opponant(s)

Space Marines, Imperial Guard, Orks, Tyranids, Necrons, Dark Eldar, Chaos Daemons.

Sorry Socialnerd, forgot it was melta AND YES it were backyard tourneys, but its tourneys anyway.

[Adam3004]

Originally Posted by Antisocialnerd

Well you may not care what i think all of a sudden but you must care what some people here think since your asking for advice on your lists so for fear of people agreeing with me don't you think you should provide some evidence or links to the "tournaments" you won oh and backyard tournies with a few of your mates don't count as tournaments and if these lists have won tournaments why are you asking for advice they WON tournaments don't fix what ain't broken would be a logical approach don't you think.

Friend, i need the best of those and your meanings, but just keep out of this thread, if you aint got nothing good or helping to say.

[Antisocialnerd]

hate to break it to you but you don't own the forums i can post where i like and i have plenty helpful to say such as my insights and help with your lists or how lieing is bad etc and i don't consider any unofficial tournie a tournie so i'll be considering you a lier from now on.

Wining a tournament is a great achievement and i HATE anyone who would makes such a claim falsely or lightly so as long as you have this thread making that claim for pissy little backyard rubbish i'll also be considering you a disgrace to the empire.

i won't be back as long as you don't reply to this obviously.