[amun]

I have been stalking this forum for some time now and have finally written myself an armylist that I would like to have evaluated.
But before that I will say to you that I have played Necrons (about 2500pts) and Tyranids (almost 2000pts) so that I have quite a good idea of what I am doing on the battlefield. My latest army was the tyranids and I have grown tired of mindless cc rush so I am planning on fielding an army that can't defend itself in close combat. IE no kroot. I know they are awesome but if I want to play cc I would dust of my genestealers.
I have read the "what to buy" and "how to build your army" posts and I'll say that money is not the issue here since I am a very slow painter so I will have acquired money enough for the next unit by the time I need it.

-HQ-
Leonardo
Shas'el, Targeting array, Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod,
HW Multi tracker, Stimulant Injector, HW Drone controller, Bonding Knife
2x Shield drones
Total: 142pts
I do not feel that he needs that extra wound for being shas'o because when he drops it will be because of instant death

-Elite-
Donatello, Michelangelo
1x XV8 Crisis suits, Plasma rifle, Fusion Blaster, multi tracker.
1x XV8 Crisis suit, Team leader,Plasma rifle, Fusion Blaster,
Targeting array ,HW Multi tracker, Bonding Knife, HW Drone controller
2x Shield Drones
Total: 179

Raphael
1x XV8 Crisis suits, Plasma rifle, Missile pod, multi tracker.
Total: 62
I split these teams in 2 for 2 different objectives. "Raphael" will run with the HQ and be light tank/heavy infantry killers while the other team will be heavy tank/heavy infantry

-Troop-

11x Shas'la Firewarriors
1x Shas'ui Firewarrior, Bonding Knife
1x Devilfish Troop Carrier, Disruption Pods
Total: 220pts

11x Shas'la Firewarriors
1x Shas'ui Firewarrior, Bonding Knife
1x Devilfish Troop Carrier, Disruption Pods
Total: 220pts

-Heavy Support-

Hammerhead Gunship, Railgun, Disruption Pod, Flechette Discharger, Burst Cannons
Total: 175pts

Grand Total: 998

And for the 1500pts version I am adding:

11x Shas'la Firewarriors
1x Shas'ui Firewarrior, Bonding Knife
Total: 135pts

-Fast Attack-

7x Shas'la Pathfinders
1x Shas'ui Pathfinder, Bonding Knife
1x Devilfish Troop Carrier, Disruption Pods.
Total: 206pts
The Devilfish will leave the pathfinders and go and pick up the last firewarrior squad for some protection and movement

Bebop and Rocksteady
1x Broadside Battle suit. Advanced Stabilisation System
1x Broadside Battle suit, Advanced Stabilisation System,
Team leader, HW Drone Controller, HW Target Lock, Bonding Knife
2x Shield Drones
Total: 205pts

As well as changing the suits a bit. They are all in the same group now, the team leader is fireknife instead of plasma/fusion, dropped the drones of that team and the bonding knife (since the HQ will be with them and he will be having that instead)

[Ithorion]

Really decent lists!

I only have 3 remarks.

First, I personally would like to have at least one other railgun at 1k points. That however depends on who you play. I know you will be saying "I have fusion blaster", but you need to be really really close to penetrate thick armour.

Second, The Crisis suites don't need the bonding knife. It is specifically stated for what purposes drones are counted and regrouping isnt one of them. a Team of Crisis will either be dead or always be 50% or stronger.

Third, I would split the 8 Pathfinder into 2 squads of 5 each. That way you have a lot more flexibility which targets to mark. You can get the additional points needed by saving the pathfinder 'ui and the two bonding knives from the commander and the other Crisis team.

Cheers.

[amun]

Quick reply, I like it!

Originally Posted by Ithorion

First, I personally would like to have at least one other railgun at 1k points. That however depends on who you play. I know you will be saying "I have fusion blaster", but you need to be really really close to penetrate thick armour.

Yeah I thought 2 deepstriking fusionblasters along with the missilepods (for sides and whatnot) would be enough. Especially since I usually run with venomcannons that only can glance.
I will however take this in consideration.
Maby change the Hammerhead for 2 broadsides?

Originally Posted by Ithorion

Second, The Crisis suites don't need the bonding knife. It is specifically stated for what purposes drones are counted and regrouping isn't one of them. a Team of Crisis will either be dead or always be 50% or stronger.

Excellent!

Originally Posted by Ithorion

Third, I would split the 8 Pathfinder into 2 squads of 5 each. That way you have a lot more flexibility which targets to mark. You can get the additional points needed by saving the pathfinder 'ui and the two bonding knives from the commander and the other Crisis team.

Shas'ui and the knives are 40 points (the crisis team does not have a knife in 1500pts list), so I can add 3 pathfinders making a team of 6 and one of 5. Then give them a devilfish from the firewarriors.
Excellent!

1500pts new list

-HQ- Leonardo
Shas'el, Targeting array, Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod,
HW Multi tracker, Stimulant Injector
Total: 107pts

-Elite- Raphael, Donatello, Michelangelo
1x XV8 Crisis suits, Plasma rifle, Fusion Blaster, multi tracker.
1x XV8 Crisis suits, Plasma rifle, Missile pod, multi tracker.
1x XV8 Crisis suit, Team leader,Plasma rifle, Missile pod, Bonding Knife
Targeting array ,HW Multi tracker, HW Drone controller
2x Shield Drones
Total: 236

-Troop-

11x Shas'la Firewarriors
1x Shas'ui Firewarrior, Bonding Knife
1x Devilfish Troop Carrier, Disruption Pods
Total: 220pts

11x Shas'la Firewarriors
1x Shas'ui Firewarrior, Bonding Knife
Total: 135pts

11x Shas'la Firewarriors
1x Shas'ui Firewarrior, Bonding Knife
Total: 135pts

-Fast Attack-

6x Shas'la Pathfinders
1x Devilfish Troop Carrier, Disruption Pods.
Total: 145pts

6x Shas'la Pathfinders
1x Devilfish Troop Carrier, Disruption Pods.
Total: 145pts

-Heavy Support-

Hammerhead Gunship, Railgun, Disruption Pod, Flechette Discharger, Burst Cannons
Total: 175pts

Bebop and Rocksteady
1x Broadside Battle suit. Advanced Stabilisation System
1x Broadside Battle suit, Advanced Stabilisation System,
Team leader, HW Drone Controller, HW Target Lock
2x Shield Drones
Total: 200pts

Grand Total: 1499pts

[Ithorion]

Maby change the Hammerhead for 2 broadsides?

You can leave it that way and playtest it some. Maybe you will feel that the railgun+fusion blaster are enough.

Regarding your latest list:
The Crisis team + commander will be pretty big. You can leave it that way, if you do so you can give the commander a shield drone (or 2 and then just one for the Crisis Teamleader).

Otherwise you could cut the pathfinders to 2x5 and with the remaining points you can buy 2 SD for the Commander and run 2 Crisis teams with 2x XV8 and 2SD each (preferably each team with only one weapon configuration). Another advantage is, that you will have 4 wound groups without mixing weaponry since each team member is unique.

Cheers.

[amun]

Originally Posted by Ithorion

You can leave it that way and playtest it some. Maybe you will feel that the railgun+fusion blaster are enough.

I can't really playtest. At all.

Originally Posted by Ithorion

Regarding your latest list:
The Crisis team + commander will be pretty big. You can leave it that way, if you do so you can give the commander a shield drone (or 2 and then just one for the Crisis Teamleader).

Otherwise you could cut the pathfinders to 2x5 and with the remaining points you can buy 2 SD for the Commander and run 2 Crisis teams with 2x XV8 and 2SD each (preferably each team with only one weapon configuration). Another advantage is, that you will have 4 wound groups without mixing weaponry since each team member is unique.

Cutting back on the pathfinders and bringing in more shields? Perhaps
But I will probobly not be changing the weapons in the crisis team wich I know is quite big. Wound alocation is something I do enjoy messing with and sacrificing a little bit of firepower for that extra survivability is something I can do.
And they will be running in a group until they drop in the 1500pts list.

How about:

-HQ- Leonardo
Shas'el, Targeting array, Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod,
HW Multi tracker, Stimulant Injector, HW Drone controller
1x Shield Drone
1x Gun drone (for an extra wound)
Total: 132pts

-Elite- Raphael, Donatello, Michelangelo
1x XV8 Crisis suits, Plasma rifle, Fusion Blaster, multi tracker.
1x XV8 Crisis suits, Plasma rifle, Missile pod, multi tracker.
1x XV8 Crisis suit, Team leader,Plasma rifle, Missile pod,
Targeting array ,HW Multi tracker, HW Drone controller, Bonding knife
2x Shield Drones
Total: 236

-Troop-

11x Shas'la Firewarriors
1x Shas'ui Firewarrior, Bonding Knife
1x Devilfish Troop Carrier, Disruption Pods
Total: 220pts

11x Shas'la Firewarriors
1x Shas'ui Firewarrior, Bonding Knife
Total: 135pts

11x Shas'la Firewarriors
1x Shas'ui Firewarrior, Bonding Knife
Total: 135pts

-Fast Attack-

5x Shas'la Pathfinders
1x Devilfish Troop Carrier, Disruption Pods.
Total: 133pts

5x Shas'la Pathfinders
1x Devilfish Troop Carrier, Disruption Pods.
Total: 133pts

-Heavy Support-

Hammerhead Gunship, Railgun, Disruption Pod, Flechette Discharger, Burst Cannons
Total: 175pts

Bebop and Rocksteady
1x Broadside Battle suit. Advanced Stabilisation System
1x Broadside Battle suit, Advanced Stabilisation System,
Team leader, HW Drone Controller, HW Target Lock
2x Shield Drones
Total: 200pts

Grand Total: 1499pts

[Ithorion]

I could see me playing that list .

Enjoy!