[nezzerus]

This is my first army, and I'm open to any and all tips, suggestions, and ideas for improvement, as I;m relatively new to both Tau and 40K.


HQ

Shas'O Crisis Commander with Airbursting Fragmentation Projector, Plasma Rifle, Shield Generator, H/W MT and Stimulant Injector: 150 pts

Bodyguard 1 with fusion Blaster, Burst Cannon, Targeting Array, H/W MT and TL: 75
Bodyguard 2 with Flamer, Missile Pod, Targeting Array, H/W MT and TL: 71


Ethereal with 6-man honor guard with photon grenades and honor blade: 138


Elites

6 Stealthsuits with Targeting Arrays and two Fusion Blasters: 260

Crisis team
Suit 1 with Shas'vre upgrade, Plasma Rifle, Fusion Blaster, Targeting Array, H/W Mt and TL: 87
Suit 2 with Missile Pod, Flamer, and Targeting array: 49
Suit 3 with Burst Cannon, Missile Pod, and Targeting Array: 55


Troops

12 Fire Warriors with Shas'ui leader, Photon Grenades, Bonding Knife, Drone Controller and 2 Marker Drones: 195

16 Kroot Carnivores with Shaper: 140



Fast Attack

8 Pathfinders with Shas'ui upgrade and Devilfish: 186

8 Vespid with Strain leader: 150

Heavy Support

Broadside Team
Suit 1 with Shas'vre upgrade, TL railguns and smart missiles, Targeting Array, H/W MT and TL: 100
Suit 2 with TL Railguns and Smart missiles and Targeting array: 75
Suit 3 with TL Railguns and Smart missiles and Targeting array: 75

Hammerhead with Railgun, smart missiles, Multi-tracker, Target Lock, and Disruption Pod: 180

Army Total: 1998 pts.

[shasocastris]

Okay first off, Tau DO NOT do well with a bunch of shiny toys. the more killy death the better. So lets look at this list...

Originally Posted by nezzerus

This is my first army, and I'm open to any and all tips, suggestions, and ideas for improvement, as I;m relatively new to both Tau and 40K.


HQ

Shas'O Crisis Commander with Airbursting Fragmentation Projector, Plasma Rifle, Shield Generator, H/W MT and Stimulant Injector:

Bodyguard 1 with fusion Blaster, Burst Cannon, Targeting Array, H/W MT and TL:
Bodyguard 2 with Flamer, Missile Pod, Targeting Array, H/W MT and TL:

what is the purpose of this squad? being a jack of all trades makes you absolutely useless. Their is one model in my army that is like that, my commander. Why? because he has BS 5, and can make use of two weapons that have nothing to do with each other well. So no bodyguard. Second, the airbursting gun is useless on a commander. it's a waste of his BS. Go CIB, plasma rifle, and you won't eb too far off. and just lose the bodyguard. they suck, no offense

Originally Posted by nezzerus

Ethereal with 6-man honor guard with photon grenades and honor blade: 138

most useless unit ever... just lose it. only use ethereals in games of like 3000 points, or in a mega battle with Tau, or just leave hima s forgot his rules only apply if your within LOS of him anyway...

Originally Posted by nezzerus

Elites

6 Stealthsuits with Targeting Arrays and two Fusion Blasters: 260

Crisis team
Suit 1 with Shas'vre upgrade, Plasma Rifle, Fusion Blaster, Targeting Array, H/W Mt and TL
Suit 2 with Missile Pod, Flamer, and Targeting array
Suit 3 with Burst Cannon, Missile Pod, and Targeting Array

for the stealths, lose all the extra stuff. a six man-180 point squad is perfect for hoard hunting. as for the crisis suits... again, jack of all trades, master of none. Make them marine hunters. three suits with TL plasma rifle and targeting array for 165 points. Great deal.

Originally Posted by nezzerus

Troops

12 Fire Warriors with Shas'ui leader, Photon Grenades, Bonding Knife, Drone Controller and 2 Marker Drones: 195

16 Kroot Carnivores with Shaper: 140

lose the markre drones... they are useless and give your troops section all the extra points you'll have once i'm through with you list. People don't like min-maxers

Originally Posted by nezzerus

Fast Attack

8 Pathfinders with Shas'ui upgrade and Devilfish: 186

8 Vespid with Strain leader: 150

good solid units. just remember to assault those marines after shooting them with teh vespids as they can't take the return fire as well. Plus we out initiative them oh, and give vespids markerlight priority. They need it. Oh, and teh shas'ui needs a HW TL

Originally Posted by nezzerus

Heavy Support

Broadside Team
Suit 1 with Shas'vre upgrade, TL railguns and smart missiles, Targeting Array, H/W MT and TL:
Suit 2 with TL Railguns and Smart missiles and Targeting array:
Suit 3 with TL Railguns and Smart missiles and Targeting array:

Hammerhead with Railgun, smart missiles, Multi-tracker, Target Lock, and Disruption Pod: 180

DECOY LAUNCHERS you twat!!! > all our vehicles need to be equipped with one. Lose teh disruption pod if you have to, but otherwise a good tank. The broadsides need a bit of work. Give them all teh advanced stabilization system. the move is better then BS4. You have pathfinders for that. split them into a team of one and a team of two. More versatile. You could even give the lomne guy the targeting array. just make sure he can see teh opponent

Originally Posted by nezzerus

Army Total: 1998 pts.

I know I seem as harsh, but these are elementary mistakes that you don't want to make later on, mainly the XV8s. It's an art you'll learn, and I just want it learned faster. remember this for teh XV8s. keep an objective in mind when you design. even if you don't face light tanks, remember missile pods are great against any random thing form greater deamons to bikes to marines to light tanks. everything else is specific. I hope I helped a bit in your understanding of our empire.

Cheers!

P.S. DO NOT EVER stick points costs of individual models in army lists. It canget you banned. squad points are fine, but not model costs.

[nezzerus]

Here's my new army list, incorporating your suggestions. I'd appreciate advice on what to use the remaining points for.


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HQ 1: (Shas'O XV8 Commander, Bodyguard)
(Plasma Rifle, Cyclic Ion Blaster, Shield Generator, H/W Multi-Tracker, Target Lock, and Drone Controller, Marker Drone, Gun Drone, Stimulant Injector, [Fusion Blaster, Plasma Rifle, Targeting Array, H/W Multi-Tracker and Target Lock]) Total: (232)
[size=7pt] (Commander: good for killing off squads of light to medium armored infantry and light vehicles. Also rediculously hard to kill. Bodyguard: For taking out vehicles) [/size]


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Elite 1: (Crisis Team, 1 Shas'vre and 2 Shas'ui)
(Each suit is equipped with a Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod, and Targeting array. The Shas'vre also has a H/W Multi-tracker and Target Lock) Total: (221)
[size=7pt] (For killing anything from light infantry to light vehicles and monstrous creatures) [/size]

Elite 2: (Stealthsuits, 6 Shas'ui)
(Burst Cannons and Targeting arrays) Total: (240)
[size=7pt] (For taking out infantry squads early on via Infiltrate) [/size]



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Troops 1: (Fire Warriors, 11 Shas'la, 1 Shas'ui)
(Photon Grenades, Pulse Rifles, and a Bonding knife) Total: (147)
[size=7pt] (General purpose killing) [/size]

Troops 2: (16 Kroot Cranivores, 1 Shaper)
(Kroot rifles) Total: (140)
[size=7pt] (For sorely needed close combat units, ambushing and assaulting from cover via Infiltrate) [/size]


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Fast Attack 1: (7 Pathfinder Shas'la, 1 Pathfinder Shas'ui)
(Pulse Carbines, H/W target Lock, Devilfish) Total: (191)
[size=7pt] (Woo, markerlights!) [/size]

Fast Attack 2: (8 Vespid Stingwings, 1 Strain Leader)
(Neutron Blasters) Total: (150)
[size=7pt] (Good assault troops, especially after a shot or two at Space Marines) [/size]



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Heavy Support 1: (1 Broadside Shas'ui, 1 Broadside Shas'vre)
(TL railguns and Smart Missiles, Advanced Stabilisation System, Shas'vre has H/W Multi-Tracker and Target Lock) Total: (180)
[size=7pt] (Antitank goodness) [/size]

Heavy Support 2: (1 Broadside Shas'ui, 1 Broadside Shas'vre )
(TL railguns, and Smart Missiles, Advanced Stabilisation System, Shas'vre has H/W Multi-Tracker and Target Lock) Total: (180)
[size=7pt] (More antitank power) [/size]

Heavy Support 3: (Hammerhead)
(Railgun, Smart Missiles, Decoy Launchers, Disruption Pod, Multi-Tracker, Target Lock) Total: (185)
[size=7pt] (tank hunter or for killing large groups of infantry with submunitions) [/size]

[size=14pt]Army Total: (1868) [/size]

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[shasocastris]

It's a much better list. However, the command squad doesn't need drones, or shield drones if you must have them. Remember the jack of all trades, amster of none thing. having a marker drone makes them useless. I'd personally drop them. and lose one of the target locks. You only need one to shoot in two different directions. the crisis suits are okay, i just hate fireknives, but if you like em, keep em. Just don't expect to much out of them. and I still don't see the point of the TAs on the stealths. I just don't. Use markerlights well, and you save 60 points. Troops are fine, as are fast attack. the broadsides are okay, but you don't need all the extra stuff. two shas'ui is great with the A.S.S. since you have two squads. With the spare points, get two extra fire warrior teams.

Fire Warrior Team (135)
-shas'ui with bonding knife
-shas'la x11

that's all. then you have seven points. Overall, much better list, but it works, with skill.

oh, and check out my JSJ article http://forums.tauonline.org/index.php?topic=14978.0
it helps for moving crisis suits about and such.