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Old 02 May 2006, 06:27   #1 (permalink)
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Default 1000 PT All Takers MECH

Okay, so after probably annoying the Klkn out of most of you with my ALT list, I'd like to present a more "serious" one.
It's certainly "me" but it goes against my grain more than with it.

1000 Point Firestorm Cadre

HQ: Shas'el x 2
BC MP MT

Elites: XV8 x 1(3)
BC MP MT

Troops: Shas'la 6(2) + DF 1(2)
SMS TA MT

Heavy Support: Railhead 1(2)
RG BC MT FD TL DL

That should hit 1000 exact.

Feel free to rip it apart, I don't feel it's perfect at all.

The HQ's and Crisis provide more S5 and AP5 shots to bathe hordes and tougher units, while their Missile Pods cover light vehicles.

The Warfish go around holding table quarters and harrasing behind cover with SMS.

The Railheads provide valuable Railgun and Submunition rounds, while also having multiple unit engagement options with their TL and FD launchers.

The biggest weakpoint of this army are the Railheads going down to focus fire.
Once they are gone I have a huge problem against heavier/horde armies.

But that's why I have 5 Crisis Suits and 2 Warfish running around.

That, and at 1000 points, I really should be fine...

Right?
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Old 02 May 2006, 13:41   #2 (permalink)
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I REALLY don't like that list, sorry.

First of all, where's your anti-heavy infantry? Personally, I'd swap one of your Shas'el's weapons for a CIB and a plasma rifle. Also, if you really want burst cannons on your suits, why not take stealth suits? You get more for less.

Also, I don't think your list is 1000 points. I don't have the codex beside me, but I only counted roughly 700-800 points.

Edit: Oh, nevermind, saw that you have two hammerheads. Still... you sure it's 1000 points?
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Old 02 May 2006, 13:49   #3 (permalink)
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HQ is 75 x 2=150
Elites are 50 x 3= 150
Troops are 175 x 2= 350
HEavy is 175 x 2= 350

150+150=300
350+350=700+
1000pts!

Like I said, I don't think it's perfect, but I don't like trying to make a "perfect" list.
This list centers on a blazing number of shots and missiles in mobile platforms.
Remember, while they don't deny armor saves to heavier units, all Tau weaponry has a chance at killing most targets.

Let's see here...
11 BC's
5 MP's
2 SMS systems
2 Railguns

That's a lot of mobile firepower!
If I come against heavy infantry, the plan is to hose them in fire.

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Old 02 May 2006, 14:16   #4 (permalink)
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*shrugs*

I think you'll have a tough time against heavy infantry, even with all those shots, but hey... your list.

It seems pretty good besides that, though.
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Old 02 May 2006, 14:30   #5 (permalink)
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Essentially I don't want to give that kind of infantry anythign to shoot at.

I have basic and heavy guns for basic infantry.
Plenty of anti-light vehicle.
And heavy guns for heavy vehicles.

But all of this is mobile.

So I can be taking shots at said medium infantry from behind cover or from a fast moving skimmer. What are they going to shoot back through cover?

That said, I totally see your point.

I'll look to revising it in a sec, in the middle of a paper for class right now.

I'm thinking I'll drop two crisis suits, pumping the third one up of course, and getting either Stealths or Pirahna's...
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Old 02 May 2006, 14:37   #6 (permalink)
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1000 Point Firestorm Cadre

HQ: Shas'el x 2
BC MP TA HWMT

Elites: XV8 x 1(3)
BC MP HWMT
I'm seriously looking at BC on my suits as my third point, but I'd TLMP if I were you since you are missing a third hardpoint option on the elites.

TA is optional purchase IMO for the 'el. Better to upgrade each monat elite to a teamleader and give them the TA.


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Troops: Shas'la 6(2) + DF 1(2)
SMS TA MT
This is an expensive way to field minimum FW. The SMS will give you exactly 1 more shot than the regular BC, and it removes the valuable drones. The drones not onlly add 2 more Str 5 shots, but they also can detach and act as an anti-CC screen for your FW that also force leadership test in order to shoot past (jump infantry).

IMO, this is the weakness of your list. Better to up the FW to 10 each for survivability and volume of fire. Also the DF needs decoy launcher if you plan on remaining mounted for any length of time.

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Heavy Support: Railhead 1(2)
RG BC MT FD TL DL
Solid, but the FD is an optional purchase. Skimmers are difficult to bring down in CC already, and the FD has a marginal ability for the points.


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Feel free to rip it apart, I don't feel it's perfect at all.
Done

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Old 02 May 2006, 14:52   #7 (permalink)
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I'm seriously looking at BC on my suits as my third point, but I'd TLMP if I were you since you are missing a third hardpoint option on the elites.

TA is optional purchase IMO for the 'el. Better to upgrade each monat elite to a teamleader and give them the TA.
Ooo, typo...Yeah, that isn't Hardwired, sorry.

I see your point with the TA's though...Thank you very much!

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This is an expensive way to field minimum FW. The SMS will give you exactly 1 more shot than the regular BC, and it removes the valuable drones. The drones not onlly add 2 more Str 5 shots, but they also can detach and act as an anti-CC screen for your FW that also force leadership test in order to shoot past (jump infantry).

IMO, this is the weakness of your list. Better to up the FW to 10 each for survivability and volume of fire. Also the DF needs decoy launcher if you plan on remaining mounted for any length of time.
But the whole reason of the SMS is that I can fire from out of LOS, reducing the need for the FW manuever or the decoy launchers.

Regardless, I plan on changing this list as soon as I have some free time.
I'm thinking to drop an HQ and a suit, which will provide more than enough points to address some of these issues.

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Solid, but the FD is an optional purchase. Skimmers are difficult to bring down in CC already, and the FD has a marginal ability for the points.
I <3 tank shocking. But it really was there just to fill points.
Will be duly noted on revision.

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Old 02 May 2006, 15:23   #8 (permalink)
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HQ: Shas'el x 2
BC MP TA HWMT

One of these guys needs a stronger weapon, PR would be my call. Where I play, I play A LOT of and More OF MEQs, which is why I use Fireknife, MP for transports, PR for those quick Plasma shots to down those pesky Marines!
Elites: XV8 x 1(3)
BC MP MT

Troops: Shas'la 6(2) + DF 1(2)
SMS TA MT

Heavy Support: Railhead 1(2)
RG BC MT FD TL DL

You have such a low model count. You would have a problem with certain armies, Necrons and Sisters come to mind.

Those crazy sister that have all those holy prayers, I almost sure there is one that makes their bolters rending!Necrons with their Rending weapons.

And you will probably start off with 5 suits on the ground, those poor guys may get hammered.

The local Black Templar player uses two Speeders with Melta weapons.

Don't get me wrong, I like the list (can't go wrong with two HHs) but for points but with such a low model count, it is going to be tough!

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Old 03 May 2006, 01:02   #9 (permalink)
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Looking over my math...I think something is off...could someone check it for me?
I keep going over it and I think my HQ values are off, but since no one said anything about it maybe the math in head is wrong and the value is right.

Edit: Okay, someone on another forum confirmed it for me, never mind. It's fixed now.
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Old 03 May 2006, 02:32   #10 (permalink)
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Very interesting line up. Not a fan of the warfish, being an oldie for the FOF with TWELVE GUYS! None of this ten junk! (actually I lie. I tried out the ten guys and it works okay. People just say it's cheesy but hey...) ANyway, I don't think the missile pod burst cannon is a good combo. Keep crisis suits focused. ANti howrd should be BC, CIB while anti-light armour should be TL missile pod, TA and anti-MEQ should be PR, FB, but whatever. Good solid list, just don't like having that few FWs.
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