[Gada Mazaha]

Feel free to destroy.

Shash'O - 135
Missile pod, Plasma Rifle, Shield Gen, HW MultiTracker, HW BS Filter

3 Crisis - 186
Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod, MultiTracker

3 Crisis - 186
Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod, MultiTracker

5 Stealth Suits- 150

10 Fire Warriors - 200
Shas'ui, Devilfish with Disruption Pods, Decoy Launchers

10 Fire Warriors - 200
Shas'ui, Devilfish with Disruption Pods, Decoy Launchers

10 Fire Warriors - 200
Shas'ui, Devilfish with Disruption Pods, Decoy Launchers

6 Pathfinders - 192
Shas'ui, Devilfish with Disruption Pods, Decoy Launchers, 2 Seeker Missiles.

HammerHead - 190
Railgun, Smart Missile System, BS Filter, Decoy Launchers, Disruption Pods, Multi Tracker, Target Lock

HammerHead - 190
Railgun, Smart Missile System, BS Filter, Decoy Launchers, Disruption Pods, Multi Tracker, Target Lock

SkyRay - 175
Smart Missile System, Targetting Array, BS Filter, Multi Tracker, Disruption Pods, Multi Tracker

Total: 2004

The only thing I haven't really tried out is the new SkyRay and FireWarriors in Devilfish at this magnitude. Everything else has worked well for me in the past, so I guess I'm just combining it all.

[Gada Mazaha]

C'mon kids... I want to see some responses...

That is, of course, unless this list is perfect.

[uriel]

I don't know about the Sky Ray it seems alittle expensive how you have it set up, but other than that it looks very solid. Good Job!!!!

[Gada Mazaha]

I guess, but if I don't take anything I have on it now, then it'll be missing something. I just want it up to par.

That, and I'm trying to make sure this will work befoer I go out and buy the SkyRay, and 3 more Devilfish, plus an extra Crisis Suit.

[uriel]

Another suggestion i would make would be drop a fireknife team and add maybe a 1-2 man deathrain team, and another suggestion is try out a 3 man stealth team with 6 gun drones and see if it works out if not go back to the 5 man team its the same amount of pts by the way. I don't know about the black sun filters unless you play alot with night fight or dusk till dawn. your death rain suits will take alot of pts off your list for more options by dropping the skyray. Maybe try maxing out your fire warrior squads a little more. just try to see if it works if not try something else. Remember one thing with Tau a good Tau player will adapt and overcome and try new things a poor Tau player will still try the same thing over and over again and will hope it will work. well good luck it looks like your on your way with a good list.

[Gada Mazaha]

Ugh... Deathrains? Can't say I've ever been a fan of those...

I have the BS Filters because we do tend to roll for Night Fighting alot, and the advantages they give me are defiantly worth those points.

I did have full FireWarrior squads, but I really ended up just a little too much several times, and saw it as the easiest and most balanced way to bring my points down without cutting my effectiveness too much. I originally also had a 6 man Stealth Team, but again, I needed to points elsewhere.

I dunno about the Gun Drones on the Stealth Team... I have enough Stealth guys just sitting on the shelf as is, and I love their flexibility.

If my FireWarrior teams aren't packing the punch I'd like them to, I'll drop something that isn't as effective as I thought it would be. I could drop 2 Stealth Suits, or a couple of upgrades on some vehicles.

[FiveRings]

Firstly, I think it has the basics covered. It has the foundation of an outstanding list. My personal opinion is that yo have a little to much wargear on some units and vehicles. Still a very good list though. I will not destroy your list, but offer only some ideas for streamlining and maximizing. If interested in doing that you could add some useful models/units.

Shash'O - 135 Missile pod, Plasma Rifle, Shield Gen, HW MultiTracker, HW BS Filter
Very strong. Experience has demonstrated consistently that the shield generator is really unnessary on your independent character. Unless caught asleep, he shold be able to be targetted anyway. Could save 20 points though

3 Crisis - 186 Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod, MultiTracker
Wow! Lots of crisis goodness. So many things to be done with crisis and you haven't deviated afield. In fact you take the old standard. This is one caase where I might actually advocate for spending points. 30 to be precise. 5 for each to be a team leader and then add target arrays to each leader. You can hard wire the multi trackers on them.

I actually like the of plasma and fusion for the second team with the same team leader discussion above, but the fireknife is excellent.

5 Stealth Suits- 150
Lets' see if we can get you 6.

10 Fire Warriors - 200
Shas'ui, Devilfish with Disruption Pods, Decoy Launchers
10 Fire Warriors - 200
Shas'ui, Devilfish with Disruption Pods, Decoy Launchers
10 Fire Warriors - 200
Shas'ui, Devilfish with Disruption Pods, Decoy Launchers
Nearly perfect I'd say, EXCEPT one thing. The disruption pods. The FoF is meant to get in closer. Most armies have weapons with ranges where the DP won't matter. You could save 5 points for each squad. Save 15 points

6 Pathfinders - 192
Shas'ui, Devilfish with Disruption Pods, Decoy Launchers, 2 Seeker Missiles
Very clean but same about the disrupttion pod. Could save 5 points.

HammerHead - 190
Railgun, Smart Missile System, BS Filter, Decoy Launchers, Disruption Pods, Multi Tracker, Target Lock
HammerHead - 190
Railgun, Smart Missile System, BS Filter, Decoy Launchers, Disruption Pods, Multi Tracker, Target Lock
SkyRay - 175
Smart Missile System, Targetting Array, BS Filter, Multi Tracker, Disruption Pods, Multi Tracker
Again really very nice. I say the same thing about the disruption pods though. Could save 15 points.

So if I did my math right I might have trimmed off 55 and spent 30. That leaves 25 for what I am thinking. Not enough for a SS. So what would I do? I would trade in SMS on a HH for 2BC. It works for me, but I can see how people love the SMS. I do as well, but when pressed I always choose the 2 BC. So really I offered only minor stylistic changes that gave you another stealth suit and upped the BS on two crisis suits.

FiveRings

i think i would drop the Pathfinders and add 2 shield drones to the commander and take away the SG (unless youi feel it needs to be there) and then add another stealth suit and bond them. along with that i would say adding 2 more fire warriors to the teams and purchasing upgrades for all of the other suits (specifically a failsafe ejector for your Shas'O)

[Gada Mazaha]

Okay... New list with some things taken into consideration... I'll try to justify why i didn't on some things.

Shash'O - 135
Missile pod, Plasma Rifle, Shield Gen, HW MultiTracker, HW BS Filter
I kept this guy the same. Why? Because too many times he's been hit and killed with instant death. It's never fun to watch that guy die after he generally does so well.

3 Crisis - 201
Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod, MultiTracker
Team Leader with Targetting Array, HW Multi Tracker

3 Crisis - 201
Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod, MultiTracker
Team Leader with Targetting Array, HW Multi Tracker


6 Stealth Suits - 180

10 Fire Warriors - 195
Shas'ui, Devilfish with Decoy Launchers

10 Fire Warriors - 195
Shas'ui, Devilfish with Decoy Launchers

10 Fire Warriors - 195
Shas'ui, Devilfish with Decoy Launchers

6 Pathfinders - 187
Shas'ui, Devilfish with Decoy Launchers, 2 Seeker Missiles.

HammerHead - 185
Railgun, Smart Missile System, BS Filter, Decoy Launchers, Multi Tracker, Target Lock

HammerHead - 185
Railgun, Smart Missile System, BS Filter, Decoy Launchers, Multi Tracker, Target Lock

SkyRay - 170
Smart Missile System, Targetting Array, BS Filter, Multi Tracker, Decoy Launchers, Multi Tracker

Total: 2034

Hm... I've got to drop something here... And that extra Stealth suit is looking kinda good...

[Gada Mazaha]

So, I should just drop a stealth suit and live with it right?