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Old 26 Jul 2005, 17:35   #1 (permalink)
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I'm a Tau player who hates the idea of leading an army of imperialists into battle. So, I'm not interested in leading a group of marines who can't go to the bathroom without praying to the emperor. I see the Marines as a soft option for newbs and an abusable option for advanced players. Someone please convince me that I'm wrong.
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Old 26 Jul 2005, 17:59   #2 (permalink)
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Bobby Wong.

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Put simply, Marines are a simple army to build, paint and play. Yes, these are the qualities that make them "noobish", but then any retard can bring an Eldar army with 15 Starcannons, or Deep Strike three Monoliths on top of the enemy. It's not who you play, it's how you play, and Marines are great for making characterful armies that don't have to sacrifice all hope of winning.
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Old 26 Jul 2005, 18:09   #3 (permalink)
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Have you not read the endless 'Marines Suck!!!!' threads in General 40K?. I think most people have made their points very clearly in those.

'abusable option for advanced players.'

What?!. Every army besides Tau and Orks have much more abusable lists than Marines.

From my 8 years of playing (and having only lost 6 games) with pretty much every army in the game and against. I would say Marines are the hardest army there is to truely master.

Yes not very good players can use them reasonably well but very, very few people can truly master Marines. You won't find a Marines army that dominates all and wins all its games easily like you will with some Eldar armies played by high quality players etc.

There is an awful lot of variation available to Marines with the various chapters, fluff and colour schemes etc.

40K would be nowhere near what it is or as big as it is today if it wasn't for Marines. Pretty simply, if it wasn't for Marines being so 'annoyingly common/popular' the Tau would never have been made.

Have you ever used Marines for a reasonable period of time? or made and painted a Marine army etc? If not then really, how can you slate them?.
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Old 26 Jul 2005, 19:44   #4 (permalink)
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This post makes me sick that some people can be so narrowminded and utterly stupid. You shouldn't need convincing that your opinion is wrong for a start. Secondly, Marines come in the starter box so what do you expect? Oh.. I see.... you would prefer everyone played Dark Eldar or another army thats 'hard' so your games of 40k are 'easier'?

Seriously, stop whining about the main army of 40k. If you don't like it quit.
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Old 26 Jul 2005, 20:21   #5 (permalink)
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Whoah, seriously scale back the anger here. I'm sharing my views on a subject in hopes of gaining another point of view (which I would like to have, but I can't quite get my head around). If this is just going to draw anger, then nevermind.
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Old 26 Jul 2005, 20:30   #6 (permalink)
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I see the Marines as a soft option for newbs and an abusable option for advanced players. Someone please convince me that I'm wrong.
Your not wrong.
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Old 26 Jul 2005, 20:33   #7 (permalink)
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Whoah, seriously scale back the anger here. I'm sharing my views on a subject in hopes of gaining another point of view (which I would like to have, but I can't quite get my head around). If this is just going to draw anger, then nevermind.
Well Seraphim, the original post did come across as being very agressive which probably doesn't help. *It also doesn't help that many long time Marine players feel like they're just about blue in the face from defending and justifying thier army. *When you post a topic like the one you did with the wording you chose well.....

It also doesn't help we just got through dealing with a thread in the General Forums entitled "The last stand against marines" not all that long ago and things haven't cooled off that much just yet.

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Old 26 Jul 2005, 20:37   #8 (permalink)
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Seraphim, dude if you don't like marines that you opinion, just don't complain about it to people who do like them
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Old 26 Jul 2005, 21:23   #9 (permalink)
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I'm a Tau player who hates the idea of leading an army of imperialists into battle. So, I'm not interested in leading a group of marines who can't go to the bathroom without praying to the emperor. I see the Marines as a soft option for newbs and an abusable option for advanced players. Someone please convince me that I'm wrong.
i dislike the marines myself, and had a thread locked because of it.

Yes, they are regarded as the ideal new person army. I myself have no problem with this concept as marines are easy to play with, and quite forgiving.
Yes, thanks to the new codex, they are open to power gaming, but nowhere near the extent that say, Eldar can be powergamed.

Most marine armies are in general quite balanced. the exception are the alternative chapters. For example, 3rd ed black templars, and blood angels are notoriously overpowered. But Space Wolves and Dark angels are pretty solid, like the parent list. then theres the likes of the viciously hard to play with marine armies, such as 13th Co. Space Wolves. And as others have said, it is very hard for marines to be dominating against anything, unlike the way, for example eldar can be tooled up to face marines.

The best thing about marines is that the army can be tailored however you want it.
Shooty army from hell?
Assaulty army from hell?
Mech-marine army?
Heavy Armour marine army?
Drop pod marine army?
And lots more, besides.
And in fairness, if you dont like the fluff that they pray every time they have to take a dump, write your own fluff on a chapter that despises prayer as weak, and seeks to only bash heads!

I still dislike marines, but i can be objective about them. they offer a lot, and dont have to follow their negative high concepts. Who knows, maybe some day, i might do an army!
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'in hopes of gaining another point of view'

See my post, and the threads in General 40K although most people in those threads pretty much just said 'Yeh I agree Marines suck!'.

'Your not wrong.'

In fact Avor, he is. Plus how does that contribut to the thread? You do realise that is what a post is supposed to do right?.

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