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Old 28 Jun 2005, 06:52   #1 (permalink)
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I've been hearing alot that the Emperors Champion is now broken because of the new rules.

Can somebody accualy tell me why, if true?
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Old 28 Jun 2005, 11:28   #2 (permalink)
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I have no clue what you're talking about, any of his weapon stuff and special rules you'd have to change using the new ones.
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Old 28 Jun 2005, 20:44   #3 (permalink)
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If you are referring to the Black Templar's Emperor's Champion, he's always been a strong unit.

I guess the most 'unfair' part about that model is he can issue challenges to the enemy's character model in the squad he charges. This effectively takes him out of being swarmed by other models wishing to engage him. And the fact that a challenge (if issued, player doesn't have to call out a challenge if he doesn't want to.) cannot be refused, forces the player to match him up with his squads' (normally expensive) leader.

Against most armies, the Emperor's Champion also has a superior statline to any other standard character unit in the squad. This means he's essentially a Veteran Sgt, Aspiring Champion, & Ork Nob killer. Swinging at Init 5 with 4 attacks on the charge at Str 5, he'll wipe out even the most tooled up character model which no other character can do in assault. (As most characters are relatively safe from being picked out.)

Aside from those two aspects which haven't changed much, he's no more worse/better than he was in 3rd.

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Old 28 Jun 2005, 20:46   #4 (permalink)
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Nothing of his is changed by the new Space Marine codex, although he is now usable only by Black Templar players. *I wouldn't say he is any more broken in 4th edition than he was before.

I wouldn't say he is unfair exactly, but the Challenge ability could be a lot more balanced if it worked like a Fantasy challenge.
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Old 29 Jun 2005, 05:30   #5 (permalink)
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I heard some stuff that due to the new wound system the Emperors champion's challange did nothing.

But since its still good I can continue with my Emperor's Children army. >
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Old 29 Jun 2005, 15:42   #6 (permalink)
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Well, that problem with the system isn't new. Because the EC's rules overrode the old rules for determining victory in CC, he also overrides the new rules. If you charge a 20-kroot unit with a shaper into the Champion when he is alone, the Black Templar player can force you to waste the attacks of all of the normal Kroot, and he will still probably win combat. It was always a problem, but the new IC rules help a little in that regard, since I am not aware of any pure assault unit that can take a character upgrade.
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Old 04 Jul 2005, 10:09   #7 (permalink)
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the emperors champion is a good unit when used properly...i have seen an EC take down greater deamons without breaking a swet.....but there is also the bad side (If you play a game when it is the dice gods day off) and cant even take a damm gretchin or even a lone scarab or ripper swarm out
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Old 04 Jul 2005, 13:55   #8 (permalink)
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I've been hearing alot that the Emperors Champion is now broken because of the new rules.

Can somebody accualy tell me why, if true?
hes stayed the same, no difference
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