[D Black]

If you lose the fist on a dreadnought do you lose the storm bolter/h. flamer

This question was raised in a previous topic about dreads
so if you lose the fist do you lose the built in weapon I checked up the rulebook and couldn't find it

but then again that could be me being an idiot and missing it

so please could some one prove me right or wrong cause it's quite important to me (pg. quote perhaps)

[ForbiddenKnowledge]

Usually a can of worms, but I think the general consensus is that as its classed as a Dreadnaught Close Combat weapon with built in SB, so the whole lot goes IIRC.

Of course, it raises problems when you look at the forgeworld models :P

[Dark Adeptus]

If a dreadnought's close combat weapon with a built-in Storm Bolter/Flamer is either upgraded or changed, then yes you lose the Storm Bolter/Flamer. But if the Storm Bolter/Flamer is built onto the Dreadnought's body (like some FW's Dreadnoughts have) then in that case you don't lose it.

If you think about it, it's logical.

[D Black]

So can anyone actully tell me a page number if their is a rule cause im certain that it isn't,

I can think of various reasons that an arm couldnt work but you could fire the gun (severly damaged servos so you can't mave the arm with enough force to count as str 10 power weapon but can still aim)

I personlly dislike the idea of modeling really effecting how the models work really for instance i have a plasma gun guy modeled so he dropped it cause it overheated and instead he drew his sidearm but due to confusion i can't use half of my Dynamicly posed marines

Really it's penalising creativity >

[Dark Adeptus]

It's not a rule at all.

Might you be referring to the Weapons Damaged rules?

Or converting wise?

I'm sorry, but you're confusing me here a bit. :-\

With the Plasma Cannon Marine, of course you can still use him, I don't see why you can't.

[Bubgum]

Originally Posted by Kakashi Sensei

If a dreadnought's close combat weapon with a built-in Storm Bolter/Flamer is either upgraded or changed, then yes you lose the Storm Bolter/Flamer. But if the Storm Bolter/Flamer is built onto the Dreadnought's body (like some FW's Dreadnoughts have) then in that case you don't lose it.

If you think about it, it's logical.

It's logical, model wise, but A model is simply a physical representation of a character's rules. If in the codex, it says that the CC arm has "A built in Storm bolter", then, no matter where it's represented on the model, it's technically, Built into the CC arm, therefore you would loose it when you lost the arm.

Although, I see no reason why you can't just choose the Storm bolter/flamer to be destroyed, instead of the CC arm itself...

[Dark Adeptus]

Originally Posted by Bubgum

Although, I see no reason why you can't just choose the Storm bolter/flamer to be destroyed, instead of the CC arm itself...

Sadly you can't, only the opponent can choose which armament is destroyed.

[D Black]

Originally Posted by Kakashi Sensei

It's not a rule at all.

Might you be referring to the Weapons Damaged rules?

Or converting wise?

I'm sorry, but you're confusing me here a bit. :-\

With the Plasma Cannon Marine, of course you can still use him, I don't see why you can't.

No it's just that in the previous thread i was told by 2 forum members (one a Mod) that if you lost one you lost both (no evidence though)

And actually I've had much trouble convincing people that he's a plasma gunner (the plasma gun is actually on his base) as well as my marines who don't have their bolter in their hands (on a strap for instance), I don't know maybe it's just some people :-\

Actually another queston, would anyone have a problem about Terminator Lightning claws as a pair of swords (it's a chapter thing ^-^), I usually explain before hand about them Though

[Dark Adeptus]

Originally Posted by D Black

No it's just that in the previous thread i was told by 2 forum members (one a Mod) that if you lost one you lost both (no evidence though)

Actually another queston, would anyone have a problem about Terminator Lightning claws as a pair of swords (it's a chapter thing ^-^), I usually explain before hand about them Though

Actually, you do lose both the Dreadnought's Close Combat Weapon and the Built-in Storm Bolter because the Storm Bolter isn't an upgrade, it's already a part of the Close Combat Weapon. If it was an upgrade for a vehicle, then the opponent may choose either the Storm Bolter or another weapon on that vehicle, for the Weapon Damaged Result. (Page 61 - Damage Results)

And no, I've no problem with that. :P (I think it's a good idea, if you do a bit of fluff explaining why).

[Bubgum]

Originally Posted by Kakashi Sensei

Sadly you can't, only the opponent can choose which armament is destroyed.

Oh yeah.. I was getting mixed up with 4th ed, methinks. :P