[bmackean]

I was trying to find an answer to this in the forums, but havnt located it yet.

If a model is immune to instant death (Such as a Chaos Demon prince) is that model also immune to the Force Weapon killing it outright?

It probably is - but thought i would get the boards official ruling

Thanks.

[Johnnyboy]

this should probally go in the general 40k forums but I'll try and help you

the main thing about instant death is it involves having double str of the target's toughness.

the thing about a force weapon is your model just dies no matter how many wounds it has remaining. Nowhere in the desription of a force weapon does in mention that a force weapon causes instant death.

hope that helps

[Falstead]

Actually quite a few weapons cause instant death irrespective of the models toughness. Wraithcannons, Slanesh Daemon weapons, strength "D".

However force weapons don't cause instant death, they kill the target outright. So you can still use a force weapon on a target that is immune to instant death, since the force weapon effect isn't causing it!

Force weapons are pretty neat!

[Johnnyboy]

Originally Posted by Falstead

However force weapons don't cause instant death, they kill the target outright. So you can still use a force weapon on a target that is immune to instant death, since the force weapon effect isn't causing it!

Force weapons are pretty neat!

that was the wording i was thinking of

thanks Falstead

[JBunny]

However, if the model is also immune to pychic powers then the force weapon will only count as a power weapon against them.

This only applies to some of the Chaos Spec characters.

[knightperson]

For some reason, GW seems to have come up with two different levels of killing-something-in-one-shot-that-you-shouldn't-be-able-to-kill-in-one-shot. As you would expect, they have better names than that for them! The lesser one is the Instant Death rule, which is usually caused by a double-toughness weapon, but some creatures are immune to it. There are a few weapons that cause Instant Death without an actual strength value, but creatures immune to Instant Death (note the capitals) are still immune. The greater version of one-shot-kill usually uses wording like "slays outright" or "removes all wounds". This one is primarily force weapons, although anything that kills in one shot without saying Instant Death would fall into this category.

How this works against gargantuan creatures is the subject of considerable debate where I play when a tyranid heirophant is on the field facing strength D weapons. My reading of the rules is that a strength D weapon does one automatic wound to a gargantuan creature and a successful force weapon hit, which I admit can only be inflicted by a few Special Characters in the 40k universe, would do D3. The majority view seems to be that a strength D weapon also does D3, but I might revisit that argument at opening ceremonies for this weekend's 'Nids vs Imperium battle.

[bmackean]

Sort of a different question but still pertains to force weapons... sort of. lol.

Is there any way to use veil of time and a force weapon in the same turn for a Librarian? =)

[Vash113]

Originally Posted by bmackean

Sort of a different question but still pertains to force weapons... sort of. lol.

Is there any way to use veil of time and a force weapon in the same turn for a Librarian? =)

No, only certain Psykers can use more than one ability per turn. Eldar Farseers can use more than one, Inquisitors can get Consecrated Scrolls which allow them to use a second power for one turn, and some Librarians like Mephiston can use all of their powers. But these are exceptions, not the norm. A normal Librarian cannot use Veil of Time and their Force Weapon in the same player turn.

[Falstead]

However if you feel like being a jerk (and spending close to 400 points) you can pull a "Padawan".

Take a librarian command squad led by Epistolary. Attach a codicer. The Codicer has the power "Might of heroes" which can be cast on himself, or a member of his squad. Cast might of heroes on the Epistolary (who should have a familiar!) and then he gains +D3 attacks. He can still use his force weapon, or potentially more deadly, might of heroes. A very very nasty combo that can nuke just about anything at intiative six no less!

[Tyndmyr]

Attach Mephiston and a jump pack libbie to, well, whatever unit you want. Have both cast MOH on mephiston, who also uses his force weapon, and the other lovely power that makes targets around him possibly unable to strike/automatically hit. On the charge, that's what, 5 + 2d3 S5 force weapon attacks? Just consider whatever is in the way dead.