[VerjigormDeExile]

I sorry if this has been discussed, but as a tau player with access to the SM doex, the sacriest thing I can think of is two squads of 6 man las/plas. 1 Vet sarge with power fist, 3 normal marines, 1 lascannon, 1 plasgun, all for 145 pts? Why does this scare me?
1. It's 145 pts. That's about the cost of a decent crisis team(two firknives/helios/etc cost 124pts), and is very resilent. How resilent? I'll explain later...
2. The vet sarge with a bolt pistol and powerfist is evil. 3 attacks that ignore armor saves, at S8? I can't charge you with my crisis or stealth suits, because you'll stomp my brains out! So that eliminates locking you to keep you from shooting.
3. Las/Plas. The Las is anti-tank and keep'em honest. The Plasgun keeps anything heavy from trying to assault. 3 AP 2+ shots at 12" is just nasty, and takes alot of the edge off. At least 2 should hit and wound, so that's two less models killing you. And since most of my crisis teams are 2 strong, I jsut lost a team.
4. Those normal marines, who seem pretty useless? Well, they're good ablative wounds...

I am terrified of this squad. Do marine actually use it?

[ForbiddenKnowledge]

This is like the beardiest combination that can every be faced, people moaned for years about it.

Its the whole reason the Combat Squads rule was implemented, because 6 man las/plas was so abused.

[VerjigormDeExile]

Where can I find these cmbat squad rules?s

[ForbiddenKnowledge]

Codex Dark Angels and Codex Blood Angels. They aren't in any other codex just yet.

[FTyross]

Basically the combat squads rules break down that you have a full sized squad, and you can then, before the battle begins split the squad into two squads of 5 men each at your descretion.

This also goes hand-in-hand with the rules concerning the heavy weapon in the Dark Angel/Blood Angel army lists, in that you can't take a las/plas squad any more without going for a full sized unit. In any squad that is less then full strength, you only have access to special weaponry like the plasma gun, and only by tacking on that last man can you take the heavy weapon.

Hope that helps

[icer190]

I think that Combat squads are a sweet idea, not fitting to the Black Templar but...

I love the idea of having a group of guys sitting back, same squad, and providing fire support to one advacing unit.

[ForbiddenKnowledge]

In the old (better) cityfight, guard could do this - they could split into two teams, to really get the feek of one squad advancing whilst the other supported them, and then leapfrogging up.

Not always brilliant tactically, but so fluffy it was unbelievable