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Old 10 Aug 2007, 21:31   #1 (permalink)
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Default Assault cannons vs. Sniper rifles

Good Evening Gents,

Quick question, Can Space Marine assault cannons fill the same tactical role as sniper rifles? Especially against Monstrous creatures. I am creating a Grand Tournament list and I am crunching numbers. Thanks in advance.
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Old 10 Aug 2007, 21:52   #2 (permalink)
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Um... They're very different weapons.

Sniper rifles are good at killing very tough targets, but yes massed assault cannons can fulfill a similiar role thanks to the rending rule. Overall the Assault cannon is esentially good at EVERYTHING.
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Old 10 Aug 2007, 22:03   #3 (permalink)
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Sniper rifles have a longer range. Assault cannons are also carried by different types of carriers. That is, scouts and terminators are very distinct entirely apart from their weapons.

I'd say that Assault Cannons are better than Sniper rifles. Go with assault cannons wherever possible.
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Old 10 Aug 2007, 22:11   #4 (permalink)
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The concept is to use 2 Tornados to deter Wraithlords and/or Demon Princes from running down board. I am using Ultramarines w/ a Deathwatch Hq
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Old 10 Aug 2007, 22:13   #5 (permalink)
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Also does the combat squad rule apply to Codex Ultramarines?
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Old 11 Aug 2007, 00:29   #6 (permalink)
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Also does the combat squad rule apply to Codex Ultramarines?
As of yet, no.
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Old 11 Aug 2007, 14:56   #7 (permalink)
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Also does the combat squad rule apply to Codex Ultramarines?
There is not codex ultramarines.

There's codex Space Marines which is what you'd use to build and Ultramarines army.
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Old 11 Aug 2007, 22:51   #8 (permalink)
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Thank You for the info, but I was using "Codex" as an adjective.
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Old 11 Aug 2007, 23:47   #9 (permalink)
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As Falstead said, assault cannons do it all. They certainly don't fulfill the same role as Sniper rifles though. Sure, they can bring down monsterous creatures, but they can also mow down infantry and destroy tanks. They're very different weapons, but the assault cannon is unique in its nature as one of the few weapons that can actually do everything (to limited extent). You might say its only weakness is a high AP value, but this is offset by the rending rule which can make it effective even against heavy infantry.

Assault cannons are not readily available to codex space marine armies; they can only be obtained by taking Land Speeders, Terminators or Land Raider Crusaders, which makes them damned expensive and restricted to a handful of slots that you may have had earmarked for something else. Sniper rifles on the other hand, while being available only to scouts, are cheap as chips. Scouts themselves are cheap; they can be taken as troop choices; and any number of scouts in a squad may be upgraded in this manner. This makes it far easier to field a high volume of sniper rifles than it is to field assault cannons. If you want a unit to protect a flank from monsterous creatures, then I think Sniper rifles are your best option. Land Speeders have a tragically short life expectancy and it is foolish to hinge any plan on them. For roughly the same price as two assault cannon toting land speeders you can field a squad of nine scout snipers. Providing they have reasonably open fields of fire, they are a vastly superior choice for dealing with monsterous creatures.
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Old 13 Aug 2007, 01:55   #10 (permalink)
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I would say no, snipers are great against large Tyranid units because they always wound on a 4+ regardless of the enemies toughness.

However the assault cannon can take on similar targets, but I'd rather have a squad of snipers against a hive tyrant.
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