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Blood ravens origins - Is their founding father one of the two missing primach?
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Old 16 Jan 2006, 11:59   #1 (permalink)
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Almost everyone in the forum knows about the Blood Ravens from 'Dawn of War' game rght?

They have become so famous that even GW makes them into an official chapter of their own. And thus they have made history as the only chapter not made by GW themselves. Here's the link to the Blood ravens.

http://uk.games-workshop.com/spacemarines/bloodravens/

With that I can put this in here since it has become GW stuf.

Since they have forgotten who their Primarch is, this have come into my mind.

Are they founded by one of the two missing primarchs?

The reason being, although they have high amount of psykers, but surely they aren't founded by Magnus the red.

In regard that they are founded in the nd founding or something, surely the chapter that have founded them have a record of the chapter right? Like for example the Black templars are founded by the Imperial fist and so on and forth.

So I wonder if they are founded by the missing primarchs?
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The reason being, although they have high amount of psykers, but surely they aren't founded by Magnus the red.
Actually, most people think that the Blood Ravens are an experiment using Thousand Sons geneseed.
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They still keep the geneseed of the thousand sons?

Surely the inqusition have destroyed the stock because the chapter is taited by chaos right?

Even if they aren't taited, the Imperium won't take the chance.
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It's amazing what the Imperium will do to get results. Remember, rules apply to other people as far as the Inquisition and High Lords are concerned. :
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But then wouldn't the techpriest who used the Thousand sons geneseed kiled or something after they make the Blood Ravens chapter?
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This wouldn't have been done by some halfwit with a calculater burned into his neck, it will be done by high-end Mechanicus.

Besides, the Imperium keeps Gene-stock from all loyal Chapters... and they do supposedly have Chaos Gene-seed as well.
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Besides, the Imperium keeps Gene-stock from all loyal Chapters... and they do supposedly have Chaos Gene-seed as well.

I thought that the traitor legions geneseed would be destroyed to prevent another case of the Horus heresy(albeit a smaller one).

Actaully that have me thinking, can they mix the geneseeds of the chapters to make a new one?

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Remember that the Imperium rarely obeys its own rules at the high-end. Just because Chaos is evil doesn't mean the Inquisition destroys all trace of it. Far from it... entire libraries are filled with Chaos lore, Inquisitors use Daemon weapons, etc.

As to mixing Gene-seed, I am not sure.
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Yes indeed gene-seeds can be mixed and modified. This is how the Grey Knights were created.

And many people do believe that the Blood Ravens used the same gene seed as the Thousand Sons.

I.e. lots of librarians who use their powers to predict the future, strong reliance on massed infantry.

Also their colour scheme is strikingly similar to the pre-heresy colours of the thousand sons...

Addtionally the Thousand Sons only became a Traitor chapter because the emperor and Magnus the Red were both fooled by Tzeentch. Magnus intially disagreed with Horus and even tried to warn the emperor. But to warn him he had to contact him pyschically which had a negative effect. No one is sure exactly what happened but various theroies include the emperor seeing magnus sorcery and deeming him hertical, or that the message never made it, all magnus did was breach the wards surrounding the emperor allowing a horde of daemons to manifest in his throne room. This was of course upsetting to him, which is why he sent Leman Russ to have a "discussion" with magnus.
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Hm.......I see. It's kinda tragic for the Thousands Sons huh? They try to warn the emperor, but instead the emperor almost destroyed his legion.
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