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Old 13 Nov 2009, 07:21   #1 (permalink)
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Default Raven Wing. 1750 Aussie tournament Army

HQ
Sammeal
-Land Speeder
205

Librarian
-Bike
-Melta Bombs
155

TROOPS
6x Bikers
-Power Fist
-2x Melta
-Banner
-Apothecary
305

Landspeeder
-Assault Cannon
-Heavy Bolter
100

Attack Bike
-Multi Melta
50

6x Bikers
-Power Fist
-2x Melta
265

Land Speeder
-Assault Cannon
-Heavy Bolter
100

Attack Bike
-Multi Melta
50

6x Bikers
-Power Fist
-2x Flamer
255

Land Speeder
-Assault Cannon
-Heavy Bolter
100

Attack Bike
-Heavy bolter
50

FAST ATTACK
Land Speeder
-Assault Cannon
-Heavy Bolter
100

TOTAL: 1725.

6 (9) scoring units.
12 (15) Kill Points


25 left over

Oh how I wish my sergeants could have combi weapons :'(

I can spend 15 on bombs... Or give my libby a combi?

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Old 13 Nov 2009, 14:41   #2 (permalink)
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Firstly, since this is for an Australian tournament, do you want a list that will be optimized for winning, or a list that will max out the comp score?

I can't really give you good advice for the latter (other than take one of everything), so I'll give advice for the former. Your attack bikes should be upgraded to multi-meltas. Your bike squadrons won't need flamers, as they should have enough anti-infantry in their bolters.

Since Ravenwing and most characters are fearless, what is the point of the Company Banner?

I personally don't see the point of the librarian, especially since his psychic powers are underwhelming. I'm not a fan of the heavy bolter/assault cannon land speeders, but I guess that's all you have. Also give the bike sergeants power fists, since you cannot escape close combat and you have no other units to bail you out.
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Old 13 Nov 2009, 15:28   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Raven Wing. 1750 Aussie tournament Army

The Ravenwing Banner gives the unit +1 attack.

The Librarian is a little underwhelming offensively, but Dark Angels still have an infinite-range Psychic Hood. Which you really need when your units are all so overpriced.

I think this is about as well as you can do with pure Ravenwing. Unfortunately you are paying a lot for Fearless and the teleport homers, neither of which are that useful in this list.
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Old 13 Nov 2009, 18:17   #4 (permalink)
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All attack bikes and ravenwing squads need meltas wherever possible. I've beat more than one ravenwing player by slagging his two multi-melta attack bikes and then hiding in my raider (at which point, the last one I faced conceded the game and I hopped out the raiders and had a good ol' slugfest for fun ;D). Assault cannons are decent enough on speeders despite the lower movement for full rate of fire.

Vanilla marines unfortunately do bikes better, really. But you'll get massive sportsmanship/list props at a tourney, especially from what I've heard of the aussie ones.
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Old 14 Nov 2009, 00:44   #5 (permalink)
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You all under estimate the power of assault cannon to kill tanks.


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Your attack bikes should be upgraded to multi-meltas.
Attack Bike
-Multi Melta
50
Attack Bike
-Multi Melta
50
Attack Bike
-Heavy Bolter
50

Last one is for lone objective sitting, hence a longer range weapon.

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Also give the bike sergeants power fists
They all do? Did you read the list?



The Aussie scene is filled with orks, hence the flamers. They also help against the 80% of eldar armies that have pathfinders.

The librarian was a pretty good bargain for my Deathwing, I want to try him out in this list, but may swap him for either a chaplain, or 3 more bikers.
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Old 14 Nov 2009, 01:33   #6 (permalink)
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You all under estimate the power of assault cannon to kill tanks.
No.

No I don't.

Multi-meltas are just so much better it isn't even funny, however.

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Your attack bikes should be upgraded to multi-meltas.
Attack Bike
-Multi Melta
50
Attack Bike
-Multi Melta
50
Attack Bike
-Heavy Bolter
50

Last one is for lone objective sitting, hence a longer range weapon.
Your two attack bikes will get punked. There's really no such thing as an army with too little firepower as to take two out. Three... now you're getting somewhere. Plus, hey, I've whiffed with two meltaguns far too often myself.

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The Aussie scene is filled with orks, hence the flamers. They also help against the 80% of eldar armies that have pathfinders.

The librarian was a pretty good bargain for my Deathwing, I want to try him out in this list, but may swap him for either a chaplain, or 3 more bikers.
Fair enough on the flamers. I do love the little beasties myself.

DA Librarian is below average for the points, the only real advantage is the unlimited-range psychic hood. That said, it's much better than nothing.
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Old 14 Nov 2009, 02:22   #7 (permalink)
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Your attack bikes should be upgraded to multi-meltas.
Attack Bike
-Multi Melta
50
Attack Bike
-Multi Melta
50
Attack Bike
-Heavy Bolter
50

Last one is for lone objective sitting, hence a longer range weapon.
Bike armies don't do objective sitting very well. You are better off putting your objectives in mid-field, or turbo-boosting back on top of your objective on turn 5. Or you could conga line a bike squad to hold an objective, as bike bases are long (just watch out for assaults). Having 6 bikes and an attack bike sit on an objective in a corner all game is a waste of a unit. Take the multi-melta, you won't regret it.

Regarding the power fists, you are right. I looked at the list you posted at wargamerau.com and assumed that you didn't make any changes from the one you posted here.

Assault cannons are better than multi-meltas against most targets beyond 12", but within 12", multi-meltas are better except against AV 10. Assault cannons are also overpriced.
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Old 14 Nov 2009, 02:35   #8 (permalink)
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Yes... because I suddenly have control over all objectives. Let alone the deployment zone objective mission.

And generally... so far I havn't had many bikes left by turn 5. And certainly not engaged in combat.


Everything is over priced, why stop at the assault cannon?

Put simply, Assault cannons can never glance AV12. A fast moving army like this can hit rear and side armor. Failing that I have killed 3 tanks of AV 14 (all russ&#39 with an assault cannon over 4 turns. Sure it won t always roll that well.

Put simply, whilst maybe not quite as effective, more shots is my friend and last time I checked, Melta weapons were pretty crap vs infantry compared to assasult cannons.
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Old 14 Nov 2009, 03:55   #9 (permalink)
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Yes... because I suddenly have control over all objectives. Let alone the deployment zone objective mission.

And generally... so far I havn't had many bikes left by turn 5. And certainly not engaged in combat.
Would you mind telling us how your battles usually unfold, or post a battle report?
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Old 14 Nov 2009, 04:53   #10 (permalink)
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Whilst I have not run the Full Raven yet, my double wing has come down to VERY close draws/minor losses/wins. My last game...

Mission Draw (two objectives in deployment zone) Pitched battle.

His list.

Master of Forge on Bike
Captain on bike
8 Bikers
6 Dreadnaughts (2 plas, 2 melta, 2 assault)
3 x 5 scouts
3 Storms
2 x 5 Inquisitorial Storm Troopers

In Aus, his list is quite hard and often scores very low composition. We had a draw, I had sammael and belial left, each contesting and objective.


For example.
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