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Old 10 Jul 2007, 19:17   #1 (permalink)
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Default Black Templars St. Septimus's Pride 2000 pts

Black Templars:
Battle Fleet: Septimusís Vengeance
Flagship: St. Septimusís Pride
2000 point army
(HQ)-Emperorís Champion Septimus-Armor of Faith; Crusader Seals; Terminator Honors; Frag Grenades; Bolt Pistol; Black Sword; Vow: Accept Any Challenge, No matter the Odds
Total: 140

(HQ)-Lord-Marshall Matthias-Rites of Battle; Artificer Armor; Holy Orb of Antioch; Frag Grenades; Terminator Honors; Crusader Seals; Master-Crafted Power Sword; Bionics; Plasma Pistol-Total: 176 Points
Command Squad
(HQ)-Master of Sanctity Gabriel-Unmatched Zeal; Litanies of Hate; Rosarius; Artificer Armor; Holy Orb of Antioch; Master-Crafted Crozious Arcanum; Terminator Honors; Bionics; Crusader Seals; Plasma Pistol; Special Skill: Furious Charge
Total: 178 Points
Veteran Sergeant Belarius-Twin Lightning Claws; Bionics; Terminator Honors; Combat Shield; Special Skill: Furious Charge-74 Points
Company Champion Gerhard-Terminator Honors; Crusader Seals; Bolt Pistol; Combat Shield; Power Sword; Special Skill: Furious Charge-39 Points
Fighting Company Standard Bearer-Terminator Honors; Power Sword; Bolt Pistol; Bionics; Crusader Seals; Combat Shield; Chapter Banner-94 points
Brother Apothecary Bliant-Terminator Honors; Narthecium; Power Weapon; Plasma Pistol; Bionics; Crusader Seals; Combat Shield; Special Skill: Furious Charge-
66 Points
Sword Brethren-Crusader Seals; Frag Grenades; Terminator Honors (x7); Bolt Pistol & Close combat Weapon (x5); Flamer; Meltagun; Special Skill: Furious Charge-
254 Points
Total: 881 Points

(Elites)-Venerable Brother Titinius-105 Points
Walker; Venerable; Twin-linked Lascannon; Dreadnought Power Fist; Heavy Flamer; Extra Armor; Smoke Launchers; Special Skill: Furious Charge
Total: 173

(Elites)-Sword Brethren-95 Points (x5)
Bolters (x4); Terminator Honors (x5); Chainsword & Storm Shield; Crusader Seals (x5); Frag Grenades (x5); Special Skill: Infiltrate
Total: 185 Points

(Troops)-Crusader Squad-Crusader Seals; Frag Grenades; Bolters (x6); Power Fist & Bolt Pistol; Frag Grenades
Total: 129 Points

(Troops)-Crusader Squad-Crusader Seals; Frag Grenades; Bolt Pistol & Chainsword (x3); Flamer; Crusader Seals; Bolt Pistol & Power Fist
Neophytes-Bolt Pistol & Combat Knife (x4); Frag Grenades
Rhino-Storm Bolter; Pintle-Mounted Storm Bolter; Extra Armor; Hunter-Killer Missile; Smoke Launchers
Total: 262 Points

(Troops)-Crusader Squad-Crusader Seals; Frag Grenades; Bolters (x6); Power Fist & Bolt Pistol; Frag Grenades
Total: 129 Points

(Fast Attack)-Black Templars Assault Squad-Melta Bombs; Frag Grenades; Bolt Pistol & Chainsword (x2); Plasma Pistol & Chainsword (x2); Bolt Pistol & Power Fist (x1)
Total: 145 Points

Grand Total
2044 Points

Criticism please!* ;D
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Old 20 Jul 2007, 02:07   #2 (permalink)
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Ok, first of all, this is waaaaay to top heavy. I see a ten-man squad that is almost 900 points on its own, and its walking. Hate to point it out, but no matter how many upgrades you throw on them (MAYBE besides the apothocary), they still die just like your other marines. If nothing else, they need an LRC to carry them. The squad and all its members simply have way too much bling on them.

The Marshal, for that matter, has a bunch of crappy bling. He is 176 points, but has no invulnerable save. Armour-ignoring attacks are the bane of characters (Marine characters in particular). Artificer armour AND bionics serve absolutely no good against these types of attacks. Master-crafting isn&#39;t really worth it either, seeing as how he is accompanied by the chaplain.

Same goes for the chaplain, minus not having an invul. Master-crafting his crozius is kinda pointless, seeing as how he&#39;s hitting everybody on a 3+ and he re-rolls on the charge.

Aside from that one, your combat squads are too small. ONE of them is 10 men, one out of five. The next biggest is 6 men, with bolters no less. 5 man jump squads are next to worthless; IMHO, they need to be at least 8 men if there is no character to accompany them, 6 is alright if there is one. Plus, crusader seals are too expensive to take them by sqauds. That&#39;s what characters are for, seeing as how they get them free and they still affect the entire squad.

Another note, taking a five man sword brethren squad, intended for CC, equipped with Infiltrate, with no other infiltrators, is simply begging to die. I have seen 8-man squads of them get smushed in the first round of shooting, and that&#39;s with other infiltrators to draw fire. 5 guys by themselves are simply asking for it.

Also, you both need to have more armour, and more ways to kill armour. One rhino and a dreadnought simply won&#39;t cut it, they will take every shot of S6 or greater on turn 1. Once they&#39;re gone, then all that fire turns on your now entirely foot-slogging army. Even if you simply put in more rhinos, that would work, because then the enemy has to chose amongst more targets.

Also, the best I can see for anti-armour amongst the infantry is about 3 powerfists, and a few plasma pistols. Personally, I never engage in a fight without at least one of the following squad (not to mention meltaguns ;D):

Crusader Squad (5/1) - 111 points
5x Initiate w/ bolter, 1 plasma gun, 1 lascannon
1x Neophyte w/ BP+CCW

Summary:
-Take excess crap off command squad and characters
-Give command squad a transport
-Give Marshal an invul of some kind
-Make CC squads bigger, and more properly equipped
-Get more armour
-Get more anti-armour

Hope that helps.
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Old 20 Jul 2007, 02:13   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Black Templars St. Septimus's Pride 2000 pts

Well my HQ barely takes hits in shooting, happily. It&#39;s been tested true and hasn&#39;t been brought below 50% in over 8 weeks :P
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Hmm, I&#39;d be interested in playing against this army list. Hey, that gives me an idea! Do you have this VASSAL program that everybody&#39;s on about?
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I do but I&#39;m a bit confused about using it :P
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