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Old 23 Aug 2006, 06:14   #1 (permalink)
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Default All-Scout List w/ Lib?

Im in love with those new traitor torsos from forgeworld...and ive also always liked the idea of an all scout army...and ive always liked tzeentch, so i figure it'd all fit in pretty well for an army.

Fluff-wise, a librarian takes a scout company to some world, get lost in a warp storm, turn tzeentch. The only problem being that tzeentch is all about mutation, so perhaps i'd have to back that up with some fluff explaining why my scouts arent exploding with tentacles....but bleh, that can come later.

My question is, has anyone had any success with scout armies?

Could someone give me a sample list that would run effectively with a librarian as HQ?

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Old 23 Aug 2006, 07:16   #2 (permalink)
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i did a topic on an all scouts army, called scout company. its on page 2 of army lists so have a look. as for an army here it goes:

Scout Army 1500pts

HQ

Command squad-
-Codicier with fury of the ancients and bolt pistol……..104pts
-Reclusiarch chaplain- bolt pistol………71pts
-Veteran sergeant with power weapon and bolt pistol……….41pts
-Champion……………35pts
-3 marines marines with bolters ……… 45pts
-Furious charge skill……21pts

Total points= 317pts


Elite

-techmarine with servo harness plus 2 tech sevitors and 2 gun sevitors with 1 heavy bolter and 1 multi melta............280pts

- dreadnaught.....105pts


Total points=285pts


Troops

2 scout squads- 237pts
-9 scouts each squad with bolt pistols and cc weapons

2 scout squads-165pts
-5 men each with snipers + 1 heavy bolter

Total points=397pts



Fast Attack

Scout bike squad 100pts
-4 bikers

Landspeeder tornado 80pts
-landspeeder tornado
-assult cannon

Total points= 170pts


Heavy Support

Scout devastator squad 95pts
-5 scouts
-2 heavy bolters
-2 missile launcher
-1 bolter

2 Predator destructors 220pts
-side sponson heavy bolters

Total points=315pts



Army points=1499



this army is pretty effective but i modifyed it from my origional to comply almost with the codex-minus the scout devastator squad.

hope this helps
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Old 23 Aug 2006, 11:48   #3 (permalink)
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Aaah ok, i dont really want that much gear, just mainly scouts.
I dont like the idea of two HQ's for my list, especially not a chaplain...which doesnt help with chaos themes :P
My aims for the army would be basically shooting, i want a shooty army...considering ive never really had a 'true' shooty army, bar my two tau armies.

So basically i want opinions on good squad sizes and combos, like, for instance, is it good to chuck rockets in sniper squads? I figure probably not, since it'd waste the sniper shots on armour.

I dunno, im pretty befuddled right now. Ill try and work out a rough list.

But the main things i really wanna include are: a whirlwind or two, a librarian(just because of the modelling options, and no-one freaken uses them!), LOTS of scouts, LOTS of speeders, and possibly a few scout bikes...but im unsure on their effectiveness.

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Old 24 Aug 2006, 11:10   #4 (permalink)
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well i don't really find wirlwinds that effective unless your facing a mountain of hoard armys. Scout bikes are nice cause the can have grenades and get a free move, speeders are great, lots of scouts is fun cause you can overwhelm the opersition in cheap toughness 4 men. I see what you mean about chaplains not being fluffy if it turns to chaos but their is a bit in the SM codex which says that chaplains lead battalions of scouts or something like that.

I suppose that you could get rid of the chaplain and the techmarine and add a squad of 10 scouts with bolters and 2 more sniper squads with missle launchers instead of heay bolters so to give you more anti-armor. Also missles can still be good against infantry although the lack much AP.

hope this helps
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Scouts suck! 4+ save guys. You might get an extra 10 guys but their weapons suck. They suck. It is much better to get tactical squads
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Old 27 Aug 2006, 09:38   #6 (permalink)
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1-you were just flaming.

2-they have the same wepons as tactical squads.
You get infaltrate with scouts.
you can infitrate in cover and stay there.
give resons as why they suck.

I say, scouts kick A$$.
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Old 27 Aug 2006, 12:32   #7 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Youngy
Scouts suck! 4+ save guys. You might get an extra 10 guys but their weapons suck. They suck. It is much better to get tactical squads
They suck huh?

So lets compare them with tau shall we?

For 10 points you get:
No skills
stats worse than a guardsman
same armour as a scout
few weapon option
expensive chrachters
poor leadership

For scouts you get:
stealth skills
Stats that equal space marines (except for armour)
snipers, bolters, missile launchers, heavy bolters, close combat abilities, combines with the hit and run tactics that natrally come to scouts (both fluff wise and statistically) and you have a space marine unit that few units can follow into cover after they strike.

Whats so bad about them? "they only have a 4+ armour save" most troops in this game struggle to get a 5+ save with mediocre statistics. If you are hitting and running then the armour won't even matter!

Im wanting a scout army, i need fluff though. Anybody know any special charachters that are scouts, i need hq choices
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Old 27 Aug 2006, 16:18   #8 (permalink)
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ok, now that we have this whole "scouts suck/no they don't" thing off of our collective chest, lets see what we can do:

Epistolary w/ bolt pistol, fear the darkness, fury of the ancients, infiltrate
5 Command squad w/ 2 missile launchers, infiltrate (some ones gotta teach the scouts and this unit is the only way to give the librarian infiltration) 263 pts

10 scouts w/ missile launcher, 9 sniper rifles 185 pts

10 scouts w/ missile launcher, 9 sniper rifles 185 pts

10 scouts w/ missile launcher, 9 sniper rifles 185 pts

10 scouts w/ heavy bolter, 9 bolters 135 pts

10 scouts w/ heavy bolter, 9 bolters 135 pts

10 scouts w/ heavy bolter, 9 bolters 135 pts

5 scout bikes w/ melta bombs 135 pts

5 scout bikes w/ melta bombs 135 pts

Total: 1493

a little boring in my opinion, but it is very shooty, and follows along with what you said you wanted. plus with 76 models in the army, you should actually be able to out horde a lot of armies. not to mention all but 2 units have infiltrate, and the two units that don't infiltrate have scout so it shouldn't matter.

played carefully this could be a really nasty army, and has a chance to pin almost whole armies at a time.
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Old 27 Aug 2006, 18:09   #9 (permalink)
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Default Re: All-Scout List w/ Lib?

Here is a list I'm working on slowly ...

HQ -
Master Lima -
Crozius, bolt pistol, terminator honours, master crafted, bike,
- 161

I thought about using a libby but now will
use a chappy. He can hook up w/ the attack bikes or
help one of the scout squads if they are charged


TROOPS

Recon Pl Alpha (scouts) - 159pts
9x CC and pistol - 1 x Vet sgt w/ pistol and PF

Recon Pl Bravo(scouts) - 159pts
9x CC and pistol - 1 x Vet sgt w/ pistol and PF

Recon Pl Charlie(scouts) - 159pts
9x CC and pistol - 1 x Vet sgt w/ pistol and PF

these are assault troops - get them infiltrated in cover and counter
charge any advancing troops


Sniper Pl Delta (scouts) - 165pts
5 x snipers, 3 x bolters, 1 x hvy bolter
- 1 x Vet sgt w/ pistol and PF

Sniper pl Echo (scouts) - 170pts
5x snipers, 3 x bolters, 1 x Missile Launcher
- 1 x Vet sgt w/ pistol and PF

Sniper pl Foxtrot (scouts) - 170pts
5x snipers, 3 x bolters, 1 x Missile Launcher
- 1 x Vet sgt w/ pistol and PF


i'm hoping these provide a nice firebase to
deal w/ tanks and troops


FAST ATTACK

3 x Attack Bike Squad Tango - Hvy bolter - 150 pts

3 x Attack Bike Squad Victor - Multi melta - 195 pts


Total - 1488 pts
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Old 28 Aug 2006, 05:56   #10 (permalink)
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isnt there a Dark Angels guy called Veteran Sergeant Naaman.

anyway scouts are great but they need to be backed up by anti tank stuff such as preads and dreads. captians are good for scout companys as well and so are command squads.
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