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So... Israel is attacking aid ships now...
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Old 05 Jun 2010, 18:04   #91 (permalink)
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Either way it looks like Israel has sent the message they wanted to send, i.e. if you try getting through their blockage with bloody-minded determination and a ship full of hand weapons they are going to bring on the hurt. But if you do things their way (rightly or wrongly) then you will be ok.
But Israel didn't know that the last ship was full of "hand weapons". I think they just wanted to play at Shock and Awe. What this latest raid tells me is that they have learned from that and are going to try more conservative tactics. Which is good. I agree that allowing the aid through this time without incident will be a political victory for them.
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Old 05 Jun 2010, 18:44   #92 (permalink)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...t/10245176.stm

They've intercepted a second ship owned by the Irish now, and diverted it to an Israeli port...

On this issue, i am completely indifferent... it mattered to me when people had died, and it seemed more like Israeli aggression rather than being provoked (Even if the soldiers were attacked... they could have disarmed the people with their paintball guns or in hand to hand...)

This case is different, the Israelis told the ship to divert, it didn't, (bear in mind this was carrying building materials.... which if in the wrong hands could be given to Hamas...) so they boarded it... and there were no deaths.

The thing that irritates me, is that some one from the charity ''free Gaza'' or similar wording, is said to be ''outraged'' by Israeli action, to be fair, again it was in international waters... but what a stupid idea to send another ship to Gaza - in direct provocation of Israel?! What do they expect the Israelis to do? If they are carrying building supplies (as well as medical supplies which i suspect may be allowed in), then the Israelis are justified in confiscating it if they believe it will be used for military purposes against them...

Furthermore, the Israelis have said that they will check the cargo for banned items (i.e building stuff), then send in the aid which they approve... yes it is to attempt to put a positive slant on their image, but provided they bring in medical supplies... it will do some good.

So to be fair, aid is (maybe that be ''may'&#39 go into Gaza...

Anyone else have any thoughts on this latest action?
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Old 05 Jun 2010, 18:50   #93 (permalink)
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Someone will always be 'outraged' at anything even remotely political. That's just the way the game is played, whichever side you're on. I think these other ships prove that Israel could have handled the flotilla a whole lot better.
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Old 05 Jun 2010, 21:57   #94 (permalink)
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Either way it looks like Israel has sent the message they wanted to send, i.e. if you try getting through their blockage with bloody-minded determination and a ship full of hand weapons they are going to bring on the hurt. But if you do things their way (rightly or wrongly) then you will be ok.
But Israel didn't know that the last ship was full of "hand weapons". I think they just wanted to play at Shock and Awe. What this latest raid tells me is that they have learned from that and are going to try more conservative tactics. Which is good. I agree that allowing the aid through this time without incident will be a political victory for them.
Well yes, but they didn't attack anyone until they knew that they did and had them used against them. I think you're right about the tactic, but then both the US and the UK have used that tactic against people that may or may not have deserved it, so it's not as if Israel are alone in that respect.
I'm glad they are trying more conservative tactics, but I think the main reason it went better this time is because the crew didn't have a large stash of weapons onboard, and didn't try to overpower the troops.

Meh, we can't really know the truth, I'm just glad like you that there weren't any deaths this time.
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Old 09 Jun 2010, 14:20   #95 (permalink)
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A quick update. (If there is anyone still looking at this thread...) Israel boarded the Irish ship going to Gaza... nice & peaceful. The people on board were deported...

Something more alarming though (whether anything will come of it i dont know...) but Iran has offered to escort aid ships with some of it's SS wannabees - the Revolutionary Guard wing of the Navy... my guess is that if they do, Israel will just wait until the aid ships are in Israeli waters, then board them.
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