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Old 07 Feb 2010, 13:56   #1 (permalink)
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Has anyone heard the entire speech from Sarah Palin last night? If so, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on it. I stopped at about 10 minutes into it. I'll try to listen to more today and post up impressions later. After what I heard last night...well, it seemed like a lot of cheer leading and very little substance. But maybe she got into substantive issues further into it.

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Old 07 Feb 2010, 15:14   #2 (permalink)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMrfiP7jfUM

I'll post my opinion after I watch it.

The first 8 minutes: Is just cheerleading. Talks about a revolution, how the people can change the government about making phone calls and with their votes, but no real issues.

So if you want to skip that just skip the first 8 minutes. Now she is talking about national security and the attemped plane bombing.


Edit: Ok done. Well someone took public speaking classes. She can talk without sounding like an idiot now.

Plane attack- trying to say its obama's fault. I just have to say the Obama didn't change anything about airport security from when Bush was in office so I'm not sure how that is his fault. Are we going to go backwards and attack Bush for 9/11 and the shoe bomber early in his admin before he had a chance to change anything... probably not.

Shouldn't let a terrorist go to trial, they should not get benefits of our constitution. She is against terrorists getting to stand trial. She never said the word torture, but was learning very heavily on how we could get all this information out of them before they lawyer up.

Wars- need to gather allies to help us in our wars. I would much rather just get out of these wars myself. Didn't mention how you would go about getting allies to help us out in wars most of the war opposes, especially when most of the world opposes her to begin with.

Obama blaiming everything on bush. I'll come back to this, she is quite hipocritical on this note.

800billion Tarp turned into crony capitalism for the treasury departments favorite big players. Ummm... Tarp was created under Bush, not Obama. Tarp had even less oversight than the stimuls package. Now I'm also against buying up companies, but we had to do something at that time. Were there better options, certainly.

Lobbyists: Said that obama promised he would get rid of lobbyiests. I honestly don't remember but I do remember McCain saying something similar. Odd... since both their campaigns got mhuge chunks of their money from the banking industry(Citi was a big supporter of each). I doubt McCain would of done anything different, and he also probably would have bailed out the big banks, just in different ways.

She said something about the louisianna purchase like it was a kickback done by this administration. Something tells me she doens't actually know what the lousianna purchase is. Is there something recent by that name, because all I'm recalling is where Jefferson bought what is now about 1/3 of the country from France.

National debt. Skyrocketing. Yup, needs to slow down. I'll agree with the lady on this one. But again hipocritical to attack Obama but critise him for attacking Bush on the same subject.

Healthcare. Best ideas. Insurance purchases across state lines, court reform. I was for the healthcare bill before it got to much crap sholved into it. Insurance purchases over state lines would be a good idea that could be done quickly. I would still like some more reform beyond just that though. At least she has an opinion on it that is easy to undertand, I'll give her a cookie for that.

Energy. More nuclear. Drill here(US) instead of there(foriegn). Nuclear I agree with, its a lot safer and cleaner than in the past. Oil we just need to lower our dependance altogether. Obama working to raise MPG on new cars is good, tax breaks for energy efficient cars is good, but more nuclear would be nice.

Abortion. Working with Mccain. I'm never going to agree with her on this one.

Talked about her kids for a second and how the Obama admin attacked them. I don't agree with going after someone's children, but when you are the abstinence/pro life poster child and your teenage daughter is running around with a baby it is something worth looking into.

Ronald Reagan. Got to love ronald reagan. Back on the hipocrit note, she attacks obama for spending. Reagan doubled... tripled? the debt, Bush basically doubled it not to mention TARP. I don't understand the facination with Reagan.... well except for huge tax cuts to the rich, that certainly helped him get free support from the wealthy.

Overall: Huge improvement over her past. If she gave speaches like this in the campaign she might actually have helped McCain instead of hurting him. I would still never vote for her, but its an improvement over the nutjob speaches she use to give.

I'm seeing Bill Maher live on friday, so I can't wait to hear his jokes on this one .
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Old 07 Feb 2010, 15:57   #3 (permalink)
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I'm about 18 minutes into it and she's betrayed a complete lack of understanding of constitutional law, foreign policy, and the like. She's just attacking Obama over and over. Thusfar, she hasn't presented one idea or principle. She's just whining.
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Americans: Do you guys think the Tea Party will have an effect on the upcoming election? Or 2012? I'm trying to gauge whether they are a big deal or just a loud noise.
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Old 07 Feb 2010, 17:29   #5 (permalink)
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You lucky dog, Ironwind! Where are you seeing Bill live?

You're right that he will probably have some choice words about Ms. Palin, since she's a favorite target of his. My personal favorite was regarding her book signing. Something like "People can come into the bookstore and talk to Sarah Palin for five minutes. If John McCain had thought to do that before choosing his running mate, we would never have heard of her."

After the fiasco of the last campaign and her resignation as governor, I thought (and hoped) we would not hear anything more from Sarah Palin.

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Old 07 Feb 2010, 17:33   #6 (permalink)
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Okay, I finished it. It was a complete waste of 41 minutes of my life. She said nothing new. Anyone can snipe at the party in power. Try presenting new ideas for a change. I'm a dedicated Socialist and I could have given a better Libertarian speech than she did. This nation doesn't need whiny cheer leaders sniping at the establishment, it needs ideas to fix our fundamental problems.

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Americans: Do you guys think the Tea Party will have an effect on the upcoming election? Or 2012? I'm trying to gauge whether they are a big deal or just a loud noise.
In a word, yes. This is becoming a coalescence of groups like Club for Growth and Focus on the Family. It is the right reorganizing to push its agenda. That's not a bad thing. I'm honestly surprised that Sarah Palin & Glenn Beck are so big in this movement. You'd think that the Ron Paul / libertarian portion of the right would want to split from the religious / social conservative branch of the party.

But what I see happening is the Tea Party splitting the Republican vote in 2012. I don't think they're going to be popular enough to make a legitimate effort for major elections. What they could do is to hijack the GOP. A coup would put them in a position to put someone like Palin against Obama in 2012...which would be wonderful.

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Thanks for the feedback, Ironwind. I agree with most of what you said. One note:

On the Christmas day bomber - firstly, he was in the US with a passport, he wasn't going to tell us things if we asked nicely, he wasn't an enemy combatant. So she really can't make the case that he doesn't get Miranda rights and shouldn't be treated like a criminal. Ah, well. This is indicative of her lack of understanding of how reality works.
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On the Christmas day bomber - firstly, he was in the US with a passport, he wasn't going to tell us things if we asked nicely, he wasn't an enemy combatant. So she really can't make the case that he doesn't get Miranda rights and shouldn't be treated like a criminal. Ah, well. This is indicative of her lack of understanding of how reality works.
Indeed. I was rather amused by how she could, on the one hand, talk about how important it is that the Constitution is respected and adhered to and yet on the other talk about how outrageous it is that the Christmas day bomber is granted the basic rights afforded to him by the Constitution!

There is only one word which adequately describes the hilarity caused by this blatant display of double standards. Over to you, Homer Simpson:

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Old 07 Feb 2010, 18:58   #8 (permalink)
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Indeed. I was rather amused by how she could, on the one hand, talk about how important it is that the Constitution is respected and adhered to and yet on the other talk about how outrageous it is that the Christmas day bomber is granted the basic rights afforded to him by the Constitution!
B-b-b-but he's a Muslim! He's the bad guy! The rules don't apply to him!

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I also liked the line about the terrorists not caring about the Constitution. No, they don't. But I doubt that a serial killer really cares about the Constitution. But he's still protected by it.
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Old 07 Feb 2010, 19:25   #9 (permalink)
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I can't post anything nice, so I will be brief. I think she is a fundamentally stupid person, a liar, and a hypocrite. But she is at least smart enough to exploit those most vulnerable to exploitation. I have a lot of respect for aspects of Conservatism, but the ideology as a whole is in for a rough time if they allow someone like that to speak for them.
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Old 07 Feb 2010, 20:12   #10 (permalink)
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You lucky dog, Ironwind! Where are you seeing Bill live?
In his last episode he made some comments about heading down to the South. Raliegh, NC. My GF got us tickets a few months ago as my birthday present. Its the show that is supposed to be recorded for HBO so maybe my face will get on the screen, but since I'm on a side balcony probably not.

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They will, how much so I don't know. On another note I hope she doesn't run. I was pissed off the last time she ran. I'm an independant so while I favored Obama, McCain was actually a decent backup plan if Obama did something out of character. Once Palin was on the ticket I had ot vote for Obama or no one and I don't like that situation.

I would hope to see a more middle of the road republican with a head on their shoulders run. McCain's daughter is too younge, but someone with similar viewpoints as her(pro-sex education, pro education in general, anti-Palin, anti-Bush) and who is actually dedicated to lowering the deficit(be it higher taxes if needed) and cutting down on corruption while staying away from abortion could actually earn my vote and keep Obama on his toes.

Looking back at my earlier post I'm actually surprised how unbiased I remained. Normally I have a hard time talking about Palin without getting a headache.
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