[Wargamer]

It started as a throwaway comment about politics during a forum chat; "I'm probably going to vote BNP at the next election. They're the only party that's honest."

Maybe the guy was being sarcastic, but I heard a similar opinion voiced on the radio today; that the majority of people who vote BNP do so not because they want to deport everyone who isn't white, but because they are sick of being told that the moment you suggest anything like regulating immigration, or preserving British heritage (such as actually making Saint George's Day a national holiday) you get shouted down as racist.

This got me thinking. A lot of people I know cannot stand Political Correctness. I know I sure as hell cannot. Most people I know, myself included, feel the government is grossly incompetent and no longer worthy of our support. We have been spoonfed bullshit, ignored, lied to, cheated and stolen from. Is it any wonder then that extremist groups gain power?

I personally think voting BNP is a rather clever idea. It sends a rather shocking message to Labour, Conservatives and Lib-Dems; we'd rather have Fascists running the show than you.


So, what do you think? Do you think the BNP gets support from 'normal' people because of the failure of the other parties? Do you think they should get support because of the failure of other parties? Would that work?

[coolmule]

I think that the BNP are gaining more support because of frustration with the main parties. But I don't think we should vote BNP. The BNP are an awful party, existing primarily to create racial tension and spread xenophobic propaganda. they do nothing positive for this country. A swift google search brings up some of the things he has said, such as holocaust denial. There are plenty of fringe parties to choose from, don't choose the BNP.

[Wargamer]

Originally Posted by coolmule

I think that the BNP are gaining more support because of frustration with the main parties. But I don't think we should vote BNP. The BNP are an awful party, existing primarily to create racial tension and spread xenophobic propaganda. they do nothing positive for this country. A swift google search brings up some of the things he has said, such as holocaust denial. There are plenty of fringe parties to choose from, don't choose the BNP.

However, voting for an obscure party nobody knows achieves... nothing. Everyone knows the BNP, everyone knows they are scum, and whilst Labour might not give two-shits that people are in favour of the "Wear Silly Hats On Monday" party, the idea that the BNP are being chosen over them cannot be dismissed.

Ultimately, isn't that what we all want? To get the Government to stop dismissing us?

[crazedmongoose2003]

As much as I hate to Godwin this conversation, a similar line of thought helped the Nazis to power.


I myself am a sworn anti-fascist. So the very concept of the BNP is abhorrent to me. I try to work with anti-fascist groups like Searchlight (or at least the Australian version of Searchlight) who recieve death threats from people like the BNP. Friends of mine who I admire are involved even more heavily. They expose Neo-Nazis for the sole purpose of getting them fired. They coerce and threaten any prospective sympathizers who may cooperate with neo-nazis. They got the leader of the BNP barred from entering Australia. And when push comes to shove they cooperate with the police to have neo-nazis like the members of BNP locked up.

If this were the 1930's I'd have been at Cable Street fighting with my life against the fascists. So I can't see any circumstances for me personally where a support for them in any form is acceptable. It'd be like blowing up an infant ward as a protest against rabid pro-lifers.


But given that I usually throw protest votes to the Greens whenever Labour plays up (having said that, the difference is I agree with Greens ideology, I only vote Labour because I prefer them to the Coalition) I suppose it's reasonable a Tory supporter votes BNP in protest. But just remeber no matter how much of a protest it is, you're casting your lot with a group founded by Nazis who would have liked to have Hitler take over Britain. A group who harasses intimidates and attempts to destroy migrants for the crime of not being British. A group who wishes to have people deported for not being white. A group who trains their kids to use guns and brainwashes them into white supremacy.


Now thinking about it, my nazi analogy isn't that off.

[coolmule]

The government are already painfully aware that the BNP are on the rise anyway, it is Labour in particular that are bleeding supporters to them. Obviously the expenses scandals have damaged the reputations of MPs, but the BNP won't gain seats in the commons anyway due to th evoting system. As for political correctnes, what do you want them to do, throw ina couple of muslim gags during press statements?

[Wargamer]

Originally Posted by coolmule

The government are already painfully aware that the BNP are on the rise anyway, it is Labour in particular that are bleeding supporters to them. Obviously the expenses scandals have damaged the reputations of MPs, but the BNP won't gain seats in the commons anyway due to th evoting system. As for political correctnes, what do you want them to do, throw ina couple of muslim gags during press statements?

Let me give an example;

You can't suggest any kind of border control in this country - that makes you a White Supremacist. Never mind that you never mention any race, colour or creed, and would in fact bar White People as well if they were here illegally - only White Supremacists want border control.

You can't be Pro-Britain, because only Nazis are Pro-Britain. St. George's Cross is the new Swastika. Muslims can demand Islamic Law, but a Christian nurse can't even say "God Bless You" when someone sneezes without getting suspended.


What normal people want is for that to stop! American patriotism might be so thick you can choke on it, but by god at least they are allowed to be proud of being American! Here, being proud of being British (or even worse, "English") makes you a fascist!

[coolmule]

Originally Posted by Wargamer

Let me give an example;

You can't suggest any kind of border control in this country - that makes you a White Supremacist. Never mind that you never mention any race, colour or creed, and would in fact bar White People as well if they were here illegally - only White Supremacists want border control.

You can't be Pro-Britain, because only Nazis are Pro-Britain. St. George's Cross is the new Swastika. Muslims can demand Islamic Law, but a Christian nurse can't even say "God Bless You" when someone sneezes without getting suspended.

Muslims want arbititration, which has been legal for centuries. If you wanted your petty disputes decided by an Imperial Commissar, you could, provided it fitted in to existing laws.

The comment about border control is untrue as well, The rightwing press would love to see some more border control, and no-one is calling them white supremacists.

As a paid-up, guardian-reading member of the PC Brigade and Loony Left, I have not heard any of my brethen wish to downplay St Georges day. Besides, its the Union flag which is the new swastika, the cross is for football.

Seriously though, people who wine about political correctness need to stop whining, start enjoying themselves, and discover that they arent actually going to get locked up for it.

[fattyboy5]

I think that everyone is just fed up with the carelessness and sometimes stupidity of the government and major parties. Which labour losing all our personal details, all the fuss over mps expenses recently. And further back, things like the war in Iraq, which the government dragged us into. And of course, political correctness, which trust me, is pretty much rammed down your throat if you attend a secondary school, like i do at the moment. I find it laughable that the government tried to introduce a "british" day, when they have been doing their very best to erode british national pride

Thing is, I'm open to the concept of people with the different beliefs than i do, infact, in good friends with many people who hold different beliefs, that's fine as long as they keep them to themselves. In that respect, I'm not surprised that people are voting for the BNP.

The thing is, I'm obviously not old enough to vote, but i do reach that age in a few years, who will i vote for? Certainly not labour, but i really don't know who i would vote for. I'm saying I'm going to vote BNP, buts its always a possibility for anyone.

I'm going to watch the European elections. I know not many people vote for in them, but it would be interesting to see if they won any seats, and if they did, how many.

[Anubis]

That is a terrible reason to chose BNP.
If you want to do that, vote for the Independence party, they want the same sort of things, just without the nasty racist side to it. There is no escaping the fact that voting the BNP in would be the worst mistake people of this country have ever made. Along the likes of voting for the National Socialist party way back when in Germany. That also started out small. These things need to be nipped in the bud before they come into any decent amount of fruition.
The Independence party are garnering a lot of support to pull back the BNP's shot for the MEP seats. The are not honest in any way, shape of form. They hide an insidious and frankly disgusting undertone which you only see when you goto a BNP meet up. I suggest you watch Louis Theroux's visit to such an event to see just the kind of person you will be supporting before you vote for this bunch of short sighted, inbred, ignorant fascists.
Of course you are entitled to vote for who you like, but to me, anyone who shows support to the BNP, shows support for everything they stand for, including the nasty points. If you really want a vote to count, and make a stand against the fact that none of these mainstream parties represent you, ruin your ballot. Vote no vote. If the rest of the people in the country who don't vote, actually got off their lazy butts to go and vote 'no vote' or ruined their ballot (but still put it in), the whole party system has to be re-done. This has been a part of our constitution since the start, and it is there for a reason. It was meant as a fail safe against the parties becoming too established in themselves as an elite, away from the true form of democracy. Which has, quite clearly, been the case for a long time. Something all governments have been trying to suppress from public knowledge for a long time, hence the public school system (where people are trained in an elitist fashion to be the future leaders of the country... and not true representatives of the nation). Does David Cameron have ANY idea of what it is like to live a normal working class life? I seriously doubt he knows what is best for anyone other than his fellow Eton toffee nosed chums. Likewise can be said for many other mp's. Labour was never given a go, as soon as it got into power, more or less 3-4 years after it was corrupted by the power (as always) and became the New Conservative party.

[fattyboy5]

Originally Posted by Anubis

Does David Cameron have ANY idea of what it is like to live a normal working class life? I seriously doubt he knows what is best for anyone other than his fellow Eton toffee nosed chums. Likewise can be said for many other mp's. Labour was never given a go, as soon as it got into power, more or less 3-4 years after it was corrupted by the power (as always) and became the New Conservative party.

To be honest, do many politicians have any idea what life is like for the average person in this country? A lot of them come straight out of university, and straight into politics, they have no idea what it is like to have to really go out and work. The sad thing is, people who would be good politicians, and want to help the country, go off and do other things