[Black Behemoth]

Is it possible? Is a perfect world possible? Would there be any way to keep everyone happy under one fair powerful government? Or, as Agent Smith said in The Matrix, do "human beings define their reality by misery and suffering". Is a utopia possible, or a hopeless dream for fools?

[Synergy]

Sorry, but 'fraid not...trying to inforce on everyone that they should abide by specific rules only builds the pressure. As much as we all would like a perfect world, it isn't really possible, and it depends on whose perfect world it is, Hitler tryed to create his perfect world with the 'perfect race'...it didn't have a good outcome.

[Lomendil]

A utopia is possible, but unlikely. Extremely unlikely right now.

[Gada Mazaha]

No. It is impossible because of human nature.

[Black Behemoth]

Originally Posted by Synergy

Hitler tryed to create his perfect world with the 'perfect race'...it didn't have a good outcome.

I believe Hitler took it too far, and did not progress toward a utopia in the right way. He used extermination, when you should slowly convert someone. Romans were a proud people. If they could be converted to Christianity, then a utopia may be possible as well.

[Lomendil]

Originally Posted by Gada Mazaha

No. It is impossible because of human nature.

I disagree. Human nature can change. 1000 years ago, people would have said it was 'impossible' to have an open society like the one we have now. Time proved them wrong.

Key, human nature can be changed. It won't be long before psycho/neuro-engineering is a practical science, and have no doubts - it will be used. It's that technology that could allow utopia.

Of course, the problem with the term 'utopia' is that it means different things to different people, as perfection is a subjective concept.

[Gada Mazaha]

Originally Posted by Lomendil

Of course, the problem with the term 'utopia' is that it means different things to different people, as perfection is a subjective concept.

And that is what makes Utopia for all impossible.

[Black Behemoth]

Human instinct makes some things not perfect for all humans, so a utopia is possible, although VERY hard to do.

[Gada Mazaha]

Name something that all people would find "not perfect".

Utopia for all is not possible without sacrifices by some, and then it wouldn't be a utopia.

[Lomendil]

It works if you can find a way to make everyone like the same things... Can't be done yet, but it will be possible.

Or if the society is broad and well-resourced enough so that all tastes can be catered for without impinging on the rights of others...

Or a mix of the two. Level the playing field somewhat, then start a billion seperate games on it.

Plus you can do a lot with illusion. 'Perfection' is all about perception, so if you can convince someone that something is perfect, then it is to them, and that's all that is needed.