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Old 28 Jun 2010, 12:59   #1 (permalink)
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Hi everyone,

I'm relatively inexperienced with the orks and for my next Battle I'll be facing Space Wolves. Firstly, I have never fought Space Wolves before and secondly it is likely to be against a Logan Wing list.

The game is likely to be around 1,750 points and his list is likely to contain Logan (obviously) 20 troops (all in terminator armour), 3 x 6 man long fangs teams (ML's, MM's, HB's etc), 3 x lone wolves and drop pod/razorbacks for transport.

What is the most effective list type against this army? I generally go fairly mek with Killa Kans, Deff dreads, battle wagon etc, but with all the anti mek weaponry in his list I may be in some trouble (i.e. Logan uses drop pod with Long fangs with Multi meltas. They get to move (if he uses relentless rule) and shoot at 2 targets. Thus, if within 6/12 inches, the vehicles are likely to be scrap before I even get a turn). Therefore, I'm considering a massive horde list with 100+ boyz to swamp him as he will lack numbers. However, ML's using their templates and heavy bolters from long fangs could cause significant amounts of damage to hordes.

Therefore, any advice will be very appreciated, especially from those that have fought similar lists.
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Old 28 Jun 2010, 13:07   #2 (permalink)
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The couple times I've fought Space Wolves, I've found dakka to be the answer to them. They have counter attack, so charging them is no better than getting charge, except you are stronger. You are better off at keeping your distance and shooting the crap out of them. Zookakans are great against them, shoota boyz, lootas, and rokkit buggies.

With terminators same thing, but you can hit them with choppa/slugga boyz in combat too.
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Old 28 Jun 2010, 13:15   #3 (permalink)
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Shoota boyz, lootas. Big Mek with KFF.

If you go for swamping him, also include a big mek, so at least a few units stand a chance of survival. Lootas, are I think a definite, they will be able to shoot as the wolves come across the board.

You need to shoot them, almost as much as they shoot you.

Also remember that low model count is his weakness, although this does mean few KP's, you can wipe him out, when he fails a few saves. So quantity of firepower/attacks is a must.

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Old 28 Jun 2010, 13:21   #4 (permalink)
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Depends how you want to play it. If you want to play to his weakness then you could toss down the horde. With good spacing you won't have to worry much about the small blast template and a HB can only take out 3 at most. Use one mob to screen the other Boyz to give cover saves. Grots work well in this capacity.

Otherwise, I'm with Scoutfox. I've played the puppies many times and it's a tough match up if you rely completely on assault. Da puppies iz tuff! So yeah, you got to shoot them up and charge into weakened units. You can still play a mech list against him but make sure you take a Big Mek with a kustom force field. He may have a lot of AV firing but you'll have a 50% chance to deflect it. Let him get confident in his ability to bring down your armor and then start making 4+ saves left and right.

Here's how Orks work out how to attack something:

Is it tough?
Answer: Yes - Dakka then charge!
Answer: No - Charge it!
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Old 29 Jun 2010, 02:29   #5 (permalink)
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If you feel like its safe to charge a nasty tooled up unit, wait one more turn and shoot it again first. I played a guy that had some characters in a land raider, with other hand to hand specialist. He dropped them off and took out my sacrificial/bait unit. Then I spent two rounds shooting it with shootas and grotzookas. In the end only the special character and a couple guys were left, and easy pickings for the rest of the boyz. Space Wolves are not like vanilla Space Marines in close combat, but much deadlier. Stay away and shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, until they're all dead.
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Old 29 Jun 2010, 02:34   #6 (permalink)
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However, if you're caught in a situation where the Space Wolves is going to charge you, you charge them first. Like the others have said, whether or not you charge them first, they're going to get their +1 to Attack due to their Counterattack but you must remember your own benefits of charging i.e Furious Charge.

I agree with the others that you should have Shooty-kind of Boys around but you should always have the charging initiative so the Space Wolves will not negate your own charging benefits.
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Old 29 Jun 2010, 07:46   #7 (permalink)
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Does anyone take Old Zogwort?

Especially against Logan, if I can get him to within 18" I should have just under a 50:50 chance to turn him into a squig? Also, if I do this, do I get 2 kill points (1 for Logan, 1 for Squig) or just 1 Kill point when i kill the squig?

Also, due to all his terminator armour would a SAG and KFF Meks be useful? I could potentially sit the SAG with a big unit of Lootas and just blast him from a distance? I would normally take a KFF and Warboss but 2 big meks sound quite appealing?
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Old 29 Jun 2010, 08:49   #8 (permalink)
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Zoggy's an interest character but you have to be prepared for Psychic Hood. Some Space Wolves player will definitely have one or two coming up. Probably just 1 kill point, it's still that particular character anyways.

KFF is always useful in any condition. SAG, like Zoggy or Weirdboyz are pretty unreliable, but chances are if you really like to bite the bullet, go for it, I had instances where it does me so well, rolled a S10 and tear up a mob of Warriors and Crisis suits, AP2 all the way. I love SAGs.

But I rather put the SAG Mek in a mob of shootas or Gretchins. I don't want my unit to backfire if I rolled something bad. Besides, it's cheaper to have a boy mob as meatshield than lootas. And you probably want lootas to shoot at something else like Rhinos.
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Old 29 Jun 2010, 20:04   #9 (permalink)
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Thanks for all your comments to date.

What do you all think of the following list:

Warboss (PK, EA, CB, TLshoota) - 105
Big Mek (KFF) - 85

6 x nobz + painboy (various wargear inc PK and BP) - 265
1 x battlewagon (BS, DR, AP) - 125

20 x shoota boyz (Nob, PK, BP) - 170
20 x shoota boyz (Nob, PK, BP) - 170
20 x shoota boyz (Nob, PK, BP) - 170
20 x shoota boyz (Nob, PK, BP) - 170

9 x lootas - 135
9 x lootas - 135

3 x killakans (grotzookas) - 135
3 x killakans (grotzookas) - 135

Total = 1,800

The plan is to put nobz and warboss in battle wagon in middle. The rest of the force will be split either side of the battle wagon (i.e. 1xlootas, 2xboyz, 3xkillakans on one side and then same on other side). The KFF will sit somewhere near the middle to protect as many units as possible. Killakans will be placed at front with boyz hiding behind.

My only queries are whether its worth having the painboy when the 20 x terminators will all have power weapons and whether I should replace the warboss with a Big Mek with SAG?

What does everyone think?
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Old 30 Jun 2010, 02:19   #10 (permalink)
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If the terminators are armed with lightning-claws, then yes, it's pretty much their win, even if you got a painboy or a buncha nobs.

I rarely played against terminators because my LGS has little Marine players but I had a particular chance against them, and all I could say is just outweight them in both dakka and choppy. Don't waste Lootas on the terminators, heck, even Gretchins work too.

However, your shoota boyz comes with a PK Nob, so if they kinda tear through your boyz, at least you can get to hit back hard too, albeit not as much.

Oh, I figure maybe it's a good chance to pack some Kustom Mega Blasta on your Kans, that might be worth using for. Your Warboss might not be able to do much at this point but that's just me, maybe swap him out for SAG Mek?
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