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Old 27 Jan 2010, 23:05   #1 (permalink)
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as an ork player, i have always had trouble with space marines, and have been looking for some good strategies to beat them. I have tried everything from boomguns to maximumly assaulty deff dreads, but have never been able to beat them. plz help.
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Old 27 Jan 2010, 23:24   #2 (permalink)
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big mek metalgutz:
Well, marines aren't that hard to beat once you understand how they work.
Marines work best by maximizing their shooting (which is where they really put the hurt on Orks), and their mobility to stay away from you. That, coupled with their durability, lets them really put a beating on the Greenskins.
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Now that that's said, Marines lack one thing that pretty much every Ork list has: Numbers
Marines in assault aren't very killy, and Orks work best by using area denial tactics and heavy assaulters.
It's best to think of most Ork armies in two "waves." The fast wave is made of whatever can get out there and tie up guns and transports. Shooting also works well (especially on transports), but eventually you'll want to be able to throw guys up there to limit the movements of the Marines.
Once you limit the Marines to one location, you'll find them much easier to deal with, as they just won't be able to buzz around, tying you up and forcing you to deal with them on their terms (something you NEVER want).
Lootas are very good at popping transports, but so are Rokkit Kanz, Deff Koptas with TL Rokkits, and even the Deffrolla (if your club will let you use it). In any case, once you've tied them down (for better or worse), then the real meat of your army can come and give them the hurt.
Also, Ork Elites are deadly and tough, which is a nice combination, and can be often made into troops. So, they can capture objectives as well. Just get them where they need to go, and there is not that much in the Marine list that can take down a well tooled-out Nob Mob. (Just umm... maybe not TH/SS Assault Terms).
Orks are surprisingly sturdy, and can survive a hellacious beating with the right tools.
If you're running Horde Orks, a Kustom Force Field will greatly improve their lasting value, and let you get more of your lads into assault.
They are the lifeline of Mech Ork, as they offer cover to all of the Vehicles in 6", which, if the KFF in a Battlewagon, is positively HUGE.
Remember that Ork mobs work by slowly enveloping your opponent, but with a WAARGH, can get in their faces amazingly well.
And they can stay.
Just make sure to remember a Power Klaw to help turn tides and finish off stragglers.
Marines are tough, but beatable.

Hope this will help,
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Old 27 Jan 2010, 23:28   #3 (permalink)
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the biggest problem i have though, is with assault marines. the are close to as killy as orks, and have a farther move range, allowing assaults from farther. this annoyance is doubled when they are led by shrike.
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Old 28 Jan 2010, 12:25   #4 (permalink)
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Assault Marines are brutal. Your best bet for them is shooting the hell out of them, if possible, then charge the thinned down unit. If they charge you then you're going to lose that unit most likely. Also, try throwing them some bait to distract them from your main force, draw them away. Something like a unit of Kans, a Dread, something they can't ignore and then make sure you have a unit handy to counter charge in once they take the bait or just let the Kans and/or Dreads keep them tied up.
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Old 28 Jan 2010, 14:06   #5 (permalink)
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Assault marines aren't all that hard (or at least I don't think so), 2 hordes of about 20 charged 2 5 squad of blood angel assault veterans and still came out triumphant, he had like 2 left which started running, another reason why power klaw is so handy, :P
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Old 30 Jan 2010, 11:26   #6 (permalink)
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Stormboys are cheaper (much much much cheaper) than assault marines, we can field amples in a squad, give a leader a power klaw, and we get 4 attacks each on the charge. Stormboyz also are faster than even assault marines. We pretty much outclass them in everything except armour and BS, but BS doesnt matter because its ASSAULT marines :P

Against marines, they dont have a large amount of units, so taking more than 2 trukks really puts them in strife. Show them a looted wagon as well (with a leman russ battlecannon) which minces marines.

Also - burna boys in combat = power weapons. Big Meks with burnas also get this ability.

Otherwise we charge 30 boyz forward, lost 20, then hit marines with 40 attacks with the 10 that are left. (more if the nob is alive)

As an ork player i have lost to marines once :P

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Old 31 Jan 2010, 14:58   #7 (permalink)
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Marines have very small numbers and rely on the dice to stay alive. Assault them and they will go down. Just remember my mantra: Fight the shooty stuff and shoot the fighty stuff. Tactical marines are no match for Ork boys in an assault.

Believe it or not, since Termies strike last with there TH/SS, you can actuallly charge an average sized mob of boys in and kill some through mass attacks before they even get to strike.

Burnas also work wonders againsts MEQs. You can deal nearly 38 wounds with one salvo of 15 burnas, almost guaranteeing the complete destruction of that squad.
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Old 31 Jan 2010, 15:03   #8 (permalink)
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Looted wagons also work well, AP3 is truly effective. I have also found that tankbustas work well especially when given a weirdboy to join them in the fun and hopefully helping with a powerful melta weapon. That makes a mess of everything and is the only thing outside a CC for land raiser destruction. Especially auto hitting aswell.
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Old 31 Jan 2010, 20:16   #9 (permalink)
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Dont underestimate the gretchin artillary. For 60 points you get 3 missile launchers (kannon) which shoot at BS3 instead of BS2 because they are gretchin operated. therefore 180 points, the price of say a hammerhead, and you get 9 BS3 missile shots a turn. Simply take nobs, and then take a battlewagon but with no kannon, just 4 big shootas, 4 rokkit launchers and a kannon. You sit up the back with armour 14 facing nearly all enemies, shooting 12 big shoota and 5 rokkit launcher shots a turn. Sure...BS2 but when u get that many shots...

Also zzap guns are 2d6 strength (max10) which is really strong. Also if your willing to watch things to completly randomly, take a shokk attack gun. You could cause automatic penetrating hits on any vehicles under the large blast (it be funny against a land speeder sqauad) or then again it could firer the mek instead of the ammo :P or worse...
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4 lightening claws LMAO. wouldn't the inquisition get involved?
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Originally Posted by Jedibean
Killing terminators with flamers is like trying to stop a charging elephant with a fly swatter.
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if your not going to change your ammo between battles then you deserve to be giving people rashes.
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Ah, that's a shame. It's kind of funny, because I'd imagine that running headfirst into a force field would pretty much ruin your initiative.
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Why not take over France? You could do it with a pistol, which in doing would make you the most armed man in the country.
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Old 31 Jan 2010, 23:35   #10 (permalink)
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Default Re: how to win against space marines

i kinda like the air of unpredictability the SAG gives a game. it's like having a warphead, only it has a really cool gun!
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