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Old 29 Dec 2009, 12:03   #1 (permalink)
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Hi All,
Just a few things that popped up in my head that didn't seem to be fixed in a FAQ:

With the Trukk ramming rules, does a Reinforced Ram give the Trukk the "Tank" status (thus giving it a +1 to ramming) and does it give +2 to Ramming for Front AR?
It seems to indicate that it does give +2 for Death or Glory, but it's an old rule as Ramming didn't exist yet when the Ork Codex was written.
It seems that the ram should help, but I'm not sure how much and whatnot.
I'm the only dedicated Ork player around these parts, so I wanted to see what others thought.

Best,
-BT

BTW, if it does work with giving Tank and +2 to Ramming, then if you can move 18" (+6) you can give out a S9 attack! Granted you'll take a S8 (if a Rhino; S9 if AR12) back, but what wouldn't be Orky about that?
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Old 29 Dec 2009, 12:34   #2 (permalink)
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A Trukk counting as a tank with a ram and being able to ram another vehicle is much debated with no clear answer. We know for sure you can tank shock with a ram but to hit another vehicle is often left up to house rules.

That being said, it would not count as a tank for the +1 though. The ram doesn't change what the vehicle counts as, just opens up the option for tank shocking, or ramming if you play it that way. It could count its front armor as 12 for ramming but that's debatable also. The entry says it counts front armor as 12 when resolving death or glory attacks, doesn't say it counts as 12 for anything else, so by RAW it would still be AV10 on the front.
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Old 29 Dec 2009, 12:42   #3 (permalink)
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Thor:
Thanks for the reply (sigh), I guess my hopes of smashing Rhinos to death in the movement phase will have to stay on hold then

Best,
-BT
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Old 29 Dec 2009, 17:32   #4 (permalink)
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I've always looked at Ramming as being a sub set of Tank Shocking.

Much like there's other sub sets of special rules, I don't think I have seen any player successfully Ram with a Trukk in any tournament. Conversely, (and annoyingly so) I've seen some tournaments allow for Death Rollas to work on a Ram, which makes the entire thing annoying.

Easiest way (though not in any way favorable for the Orks, I admit) is to treat the two as separate types of actions/Ramming as the sub-type as I believe. That way there is no messing about with ramming Trukks and Deathrollas, point-for-point, don't become the most devastating AT weapon in the game when you consider that a little bit of rolling won't make a difference when the two masses are smashing together.
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Old 29 Dec 2009, 18:18   #5 (permalink)
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I've always looked at Ramming as being a sub set of Tank Shocking.
Because the Ramming rules specifically state that "Ramming is a type of Tank Shock"? Or because you can Tank Shock and Ram in the same move?

Yeah, I see it as pretty much the same way.
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Old 31 Dec 2009, 01:05   #6 (permalink)
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I've always looked at Ramming as being a sub set of Tank Shocking.
Because the Ramming rules specifically state that "Ramming is a type of Tank Shock"? Or because you can Tank Shock and Ram in the same move?

Yeah, I see it as pretty much the same way.
Generally the first. I don't fault the players too much for the ambiguity, but they get a small amount of it for not applying a smidgen more attention to the RAW or RAI (to me).
Tank shock has always been infantry, whilst Ramming is what happened vs. Vehicles. I suppose I can't read the way many argue with the two being interchangeable in this instance (only the Ork codex, since GW has seen fit to give us somewhat poor 5th ed. errata) for some reason. :P
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