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Old 15 Aug 2009, 08:52   #1 (permalink)
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Default Which army should orks fear the most?

So we all know orks have a very competitive codex these days, and many players have hopped onto the ork bandwagon and come up with all sorts of crazy combinations that our enemies have learned to fear and counter.

What I really want to know is are there any armies still out there that you as an ork player fear in a matchup? I'm not talking a specific list that's geared towards blowing apart infantry if you play horde or shooting down vehicles and nobs if you play mechanized, but rather an army that's capable of fielding a well-rounded all-comers type list that you wouldn't be too hopeful of defeating in a tournament setting. I'm aware of some of the ork kryptonite types out there but I wanna know what you guys think.
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Old 16 Aug 2009, 00:42   #2 (permalink)
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Since today I destroyed a blood angel army at 1000 points, only losing my deffkoptas to me being stupid and assaulting with them rather than using their rockets more, I would have to say any tank heavy guard army. We only have a few units, sometimes just one, per group that could deal with a tank and our ranged weaponry for tank hunting is just bad.
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Old 16 Aug 2009, 02:06   #3 (permalink)
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Well i have a 1000 point ork army which is an allrounder. Off the top of my head it is something like this

HQ - wierdboy with warphead upgrade
warboss with power claw, bosspole and twin linked shoota

elite - 10 nobs, 5 big choppas, 2 rokkit-shootas and 2 power claws and a painboy with grot orderly and ammo runt

troops - mob of 30 slugga boys led by nob with big choppa and bosspole

mob of 12 shootas including nob with big chopa nd bospole and trukk with grot riggers and skorcha

Fast attack - warbuggy with skorcha

3 deffkoptas with rokkits, 1 with buzz saw too

heavy support - looted dreadnought with 2 twin linked big shootas and 2 close combat weapons

THis army has never failed me. I have not lost with them. Firstly the enemy will not know what to shoot at, and will only kill a little bit of everything, when the orks get within assault range. The wierdboy means i get more waaahs and he can also take out tanks with S10 attacks at range. The nobz have 2 rokkit-shootas just incase a tank comes their way at range. The painboy makes my nobs last twice as long, and this helps the warboss survive when hes with them

The deffkoptas use their turbo boosters before turn 1 (scout rule) so they can claim a 4+ cover save and get close enough to shoot and assault a vehicle in turn 1 (the buzz saw kills vehicles)

The warbuggy and Trukk have skorchas, which pierce most armour (AP4) and hit automatically (good for ork accuracy) and kill on 2s against eldar, guard and tau basic warriors. These rip through ppl who field large amounts of models to try and account for the amount of boyz.

The mob of 30 boyz is often where my warphead joins. It means he is fearless so he always has a psycic power a turn, and can give all the boyz an extra attack for a turn, or even allow a wah or teleport them. If he gives the mob of 30 an extra attack, and they charge that turn each ork gets 5 attacks each. Thats 150 attacks, enough to swamp even tyranid melee combatants.

I know there will be situations where i will lose alot of some things, and i know ppl will reply towards me with corrections and what not - but this army, for me, will make all other armies fear orks, not orks fear armies.

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Old 16 Aug 2009, 04:52   #4 (permalink)
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The Ork book as a whole doesn't have any specific tactical weaknesses. This is because the variants it can produce are so different. Most of them rely on numbers and close combat, but there are also builds that rely on fast elite units. Or volume of firepower.

I think Imperial Guard are probably the best army against Orks. You have enough cheap units to stall theirs, and you can take a wide range of template weapons to thin mobs. Many of these ignore cover saves and have good AP. You also have access to the Psychic Battle Choir, which is fairly good at helping to break Nob (and Nob Biker) units once you have trimmed them down to a manageable size. You also have enough ranged weaponry to kill Trukks and Battlewagons while they are still far from your lines.

And best of all, IG can fit all of these in in a well-rounded army. Just don't try to use too many tanks. Orks may not be very good at shooting them down, but they can cut through them in close combat extremely quickly.
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Old 16 Aug 2009, 13:24   #5 (permalink)
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I would have to say no matter what army Orks play, we still have a great chance of being succesful. All an ork player has to do is make a well rounded all comers list against another all comer list. The problem is that many people will be like, "oh im playing agianst orks, let me drop 3 vindys or osme other ord. Like my friend. I guess its fair, and theres no rules agianst it. Eveen with 3 vindys, i say to myself thats like 60-70 boyz worth.
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Old 17 Aug 2009, 19:38   #6 (permalink)
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For me, it's gotta be Chaos. They have lash, which we have no defense against, Bezerkers, who eat our boyz for lunch and a variety of other nasty items that generally make it difficult to beat them.

I play a horde style though. I imagine a more mechanized, freaky list wouldn't fear lash as much. They'd probably fear something like Tau a lot more (speedy enough to stay away but shooty enough to blast you while they're doing so).
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Old 17 Aug 2009, 19:50   #7 (permalink)
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Which army should orks fear the most?
Well i can safely say that the answer is: [spoiler]other Orkz[/spoiler]

This is because Ork armies normally have the same overall strength and tactics (i suppose a speed freak list is a little different but that's another story) so it'll often end up in a stalemate as the 2 forces are both using swathes of Boyz to cut down each other.

My Orkz haven't struggled againts anything in particular but they did have a slight problem againts chaos (well, i'd "voluntered" to team up with a newbie Necron player) where i lost most of my Orkz to shooting (most never even saw combat)
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Old 18 Aug 2009, 01:33   #8 (permalink)
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So we all know orks have a very competitive codex these days, and many players have hopped onto the ork bandwagon and come up with all sorts of crazy combinations that our enemies have learned to fear and counter.

What I really want to know is are there any armies still out there that you as an ork player fear in a matchup? I'm not talking a specific list that's geared towards blowing apart infantry if you play horde or shooting down vehicles and nobs if you play mechanized, but rather an army that's capable of fielding a well-rounded all-comers type list that you wouldn't be too hopeful of defeating in a tournament setting. I'm aware of some of the ork kryptonite types out there but I wanna know what you guys think.
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Old 18 Aug 2009, 04:25   #9 (permalink)
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Default Re: Which army should orks fear the most?

It's interesting to see what others think. I basically started this thread because Orks are a very powerful army that are hard to beat in the right hands.

As much as I love my orks I just think they're starting to feel boring and I'm trying to think of a new army to try that would be able to go against orks. I also partly own / play against a chaos daemons army that really struggles against my orks, but after playing against my friend's nurgle army I'm starting to think cheap T5 troops are the bane of ork armies - I lose once and the second game was a draw.
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Old 18 Aug 2009, 04:34   #10 (permalink)
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I could imagine mech eldar could cause some issues.... Ork ranged anti-tank is a bit limited compared to CC.... And catching skimmers can be a bit of a pain...
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