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Old 09 Mar 2009, 04:34   #1 (permalink)
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Default hey i need some help but im not sure if i can get it here lol

Hello there proud Ork generals,

I play Eldar and am having A LOT of troubly dealing with Ork horde armies...

i know it is probably against the grain to ask in here but i was wondering if someone could point out the weakness' of an ork horde?

regards, El moustache
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Old 09 Mar 2009, 04:42   #2 (permalink)
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It would help if you posted your list and the horde you are playing against. As far as some general suggestions, read the sticky above labelled "how to break and ork army"; great read.

Depends on if you are a person that is willing to tailor your list to be anti-horde, or if you just want to change your tactics a bit. Let us know, and we can help you with either. My friends and I list tailor against each other, so that brings up a totally different way of helping you. Eldar have all kinds of goodies that are great against ork hordes.

Things hordes hate the most are, weapons that deny cover saves, high int well armored cc specialists, blast weapons, mobile troops. The eldar have all of these in abundance. One thing you need to do is kill the big mek with the KFF, if your opponent is using one. If you have to shoot everything in your army to take out the squad he is attached to, and get rid of their 5+ cover save.
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Old 09 Mar 2009, 13:06   #3 (permalink)
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As an appreciative observer of the Eldar, I want to add a few things:

1. Farseer w/ Mind War
Extraordinarily useful. Orks really require the presence of their upgrade characters to stay truly dangerous. Using MW to take out power klaws or (gasp) the KFF Big Mek or Painboy is really, really useful. Put the Farseer on a Jetbike, and you have a dangerous sniping weapon. Remember: He has an invulnerable save, so feel free to jump him up on buildings as you please.

2. Farseer (seeing a pattern here ) w/ Seer Council on Jetbikes and Fortune
Expensive, but extraordinarily painful. If you can MW the PK out of a squad, feel free to charge in. Unless the mobz number at 30, you'll break them easily (heck, even at 30 w/ some good rolls you'll take them down). Without the PK to worry about, the Farseer will be fine...

3. Sacrifice play
If you're having trouble setting the Orks up (the mobz stay spread out), the best way I've seen is to throw a vehicle in their way. Have it moving 12" so it looks like the mob will have to work at it. They'll pile in, maybe kill it, maybe not, but that's not important, as since there is NO combat resolution/movement then they'll be perfectly bunched up for you to template/pie-plate to your desire. It's a dirty trick that may only work once, but it's a good one Tank-Shocking to bunch up mobz also works well too

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Old 09 Mar 2009, 13:55   #4 (permalink)
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Warwalkers armed with a pair of Shuriken Cannon will help. The Assault 6 fusillade from the pair of Shuriken Cannon will help keep those Ork Noggins down a bit. Best to use these Warwalkers in a pair. It will cost 80 points (total) for the two Warwalkers. These models are useful against Trukks and Wartrakks/Warbuggies as well. Not bad.

A full deck of ten Striking Scorpions with an Exarch upgrade will also be useful for countering deep strike Kommandos and charging Stormboys. The Scorpions should have a transport if you want them to counter the Stormboys. Wait unit the Stormboys hit something and then countercharge.
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Old 09 Mar 2009, 22:20   #5 (permalink)
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There is a really good article that IVEATCH did called Breaking an Ork Army: Target Priority, which should help you out a bunch.
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Old 10 Mar 2009, 06:07   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: hey i need some help but im not sure if i can get it here lol

Thank you everyone that has commented and thus helped me organise an army to atick it to them orks lol

i plan on having a battle this evening so i will post here with a short summery of how it went

cheers once again, El moustache
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Old 12 Mar 2009, 23:15   #7 (permalink)
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What always gets me is War walkers with scatter lasers and if you have a farseer with doom and guiding its ridiculous I am taking a squad a turn
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Old 15 Mar 2009, 11:17   #8 (permalink)
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Default Re: hey i need some help but im not sure if i can get it here lol

ok battled a new guy at my local club and the filthy so-and-so had two units of nobs on bikers with pain boys and the lot!!!! argh!

a pityful game by me really... i shouldnt have concentrated EVERYTHING on his uber units...


all in all a horrible day for the the Eldar

so my new army composition didnt help at all but im sure not everyone is in it to win it as much as the guy i played so i will keep with my army and never battle that dirty swine ever again.

Muchos gracias, El moustace
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