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Lash of Submission & Pavane of Slaanesh. Ork worst nightmare?
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Old 03 Feb 2009, 21:59   #1 (permalink)
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Default Lash of Submission & Pavane of Slaanesh. Ork worst nightmare?

Okay, these two powers are incredibly effective vs. Orks. Why? 4 reasons

1 ) The powers allow your Mobs to be lumped together, in turn making them Highly vulnerable to blasts
2 ) Any cover bonus you can claim from mixing in 2-3 mobs can be negated allowing for swaths of boyz to be taken out by salvos
3 ) Push back Mobs, disallowing WAAAGHS! to be effective
4 ) This is the big one... It can bring you closer to the chaos lines, Allowing the Chaos Player to make the charge instead of you. And everyone knows that Orks want the charge.

Now what are your thoughts? With no psychic defense for orks these two powers are incredibly effective vs. Orks.
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Old 03 Feb 2009, 22:07   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Lash of Submission & Pavane of Slaanesh. Ork worst nightmare?

Well, each can only effect one unit per turn, and the caster can't use it if they are locked in combat. I don't think the mutual cover save works, so moving one unit to shoot behind could be annoying, but not fatal. And it doesn't work if you are still in transports. The pinning test could be tough, though.

So it is annoying, but it is annoying to almost everyone. I am not sure it is particularly more dangerous to Ork players. It is harder for armies that don't even want to be in close combat with a Chaos army at all, since they don't have as many options for chasing down the casters.
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Old 03 Feb 2009, 22:11   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Lash of Submission & Pavane of Slaanesh. Ork worst nightmare?

Of course they are good against Orks. Most infantry heavy/relying armies get the low end when facing a LoS.

Though mixed squads is still a nightmare to maneuver well, it really only works on a static setup, which is not the Ork forte.

The powers don't work on vehicles though. So a mek'ed ( ) out force can still ignore it rather well.

Pavane has a smaller use than LoS as well, being much more likely to be wasted (if drawing you closer). It also has the restriction (iirc) of making the unit immune from another pavane that turn. Whereas Lashes can be combo'd to really pull you away and out.
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Old 03 Feb 2009, 22:13   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: Lash of Submission & Pavane of Slaanesh. Ork worst nightmare?

One word: Battlewagon. Or is that two words?

To counter the Lash, you need to remember that it can only be used against visible infantry units within 24". While the "visibility" factor has been made a more difficult issue with 5th Edition (making it more difficult to hide), the "infantry" requirement is another story.

Units in Trukks, Battlewagons and Looted Tanks cannot be targeted. Units hidden away behind a wall of Battlewagons cannot be targeted.

Strangely enough, Orks have less overall problems with the Lash imo than the Tau. With Orks, it's actually very easy to screen your valuable units by placing them in a transport, something which isn't possible for Tau (and Antigrav vehicles are, at the end of the day, only crappy LoS-blockers to hide units behind).

Trust the Battlewagon. Trust your vehicles.

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Old 05 Feb 2009, 13:40   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: Lash of Submission & Pavane of Slaanesh. Ork worst nightmare?

In my short Ork career I've run into Pavane but not the dreaded lash. Pavane is troublesome but not much more than that. It's like a reverse run. It COULD be nasty if combined with some horrors or other nasty shooting unit, but most daemons are going to be running towards us anyway.
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