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Old 28 Mar 2008, 14:29   #1 (permalink)
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So I was playing an Ork player right and he had Old Zogwort. Old Zogwort gets his power ZZapp! and attacks my squad of Veteran Assault marines. Now this led to a debate between me and my opponent on how many models were hit. You see, according to the entry in the Codex, it hits the unit. Now we agreed that it was very poorly wordedbut couldn't settle on how many were hit.

So,we rolled a dice on it-on a 1-3,only 1 model is hit but on a 4-6,every model was hit. Just my luck, up comes a 5. So,my question is-which of us is right? I mean it just seems massively unfair that Old Zogwort can easily destroy a whole unit of models with this power....
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Old 28 Mar 2008, 14:38   #2 (permalink)
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I would have to say a single model is hit in that unit. The unit reference is for LoS and range, and states the unit is automatically hit, then proceeds to give the profile of the power. The power profile states it's treated as a melta, so I'd resolve it as a single hit, as opposed to if it said Assault 2/Melta, obviously that would be 2 hits.
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Old 28 Mar 2008, 14:42   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks man.
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Old 28 Mar 2008, 17:53   #4 (permalink)
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Hits the unit means the entire unit takes 1 hit. Imagine what it would've been like if he did that for Frazzle..."oh yeah, that's X number of S6 ap 3 blasts..." which of course would be 100% cheese, made with Ork fungus.
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Old 28 Mar 2008, 18:28   #5 (permalink)
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I'd think Zzap hitting an entire unit would be a bit overpowered to say the least. It's a hit that will wound damn near anything on a 2 and deny an armor save for everyone, add in the 36" range and that would be the cheesiest thing by far in the Ork codex. A one in six chance, greater odds if you're a Warphead, to completely destroy almost any unit on the table?

I find it hard to believe that's the intent. It does not say the entire unit is hit, just the unit is hit. Of course you could turn around and say that it doesn't say a model is hit, but considering we're talking about a power that by your, Magic, interpretation could take out a full unit with ease, I think it's safe to say it's intended for a model.
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Old 28 Mar 2008, 18:34   #6 (permalink)
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Yeah, I agree with the rest of the people here. It does hit "The unit", but that's only one wound to the unit, unless it says Assault 2 or something, otherwise it would be 2 wounds to the unit. (assuming he passes the "To wound" roll)
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Old 28 Mar 2008, 18:43   #7 (permalink)
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Just imagine the sniping you could do if it hit everything in a unit. You could target units with ICs and just trash them with ease, compared to anything else that is. Yeah, too hard to swallow that.
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Old 28 Mar 2008, 18:44   #8 (permalink)
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I'd think Zzap hitting an entire unit would be a bit overpowered to say the least. It's a hit that will wound damn near anything on a 2 and deny an armor save for everyone, add in the 36" range and that would be the cheesiest thing by far in the Ork codex. A one in six chance, greater odds if you're a Warphead, to completely destroy almost any unit on the table?

I find it hard to believe that's the intent. It does not say the entire unit is hit, just the unit is hit. Of course you could turn around and say that it doesn't say a model is hit, but considering we're talking about a power that by your, Magic, interpretation could take out a full unit with ease, I think it's safe to say it's intended for a model.
By the unit taking 1 hit, I mean 1 model in the unit takes a hit...bleh
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Old 28 Mar 2008, 18:55   #9 (permalink)
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Gotcha. It was your use of "entire unit takes a hit" that was confusing in your statement. I did just see that you qualified it would be cheesy the way I thought you meant it, so I apologize for jumping on you. I need a beer...
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Old 28 Mar 2008, 19:01   #10 (permalink)
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The solution to...and cause of all the worlds problems. Enjoy your beer mate.
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