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Old 10 Apr 2009, 03:32   #1 (permalink)
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Ok, me and my friend just got ourselves each a 1600 point army. Me being Necrons, him being Tau. And next week, we're about to have our first real match against each other (we had a couple earlier ones, but that was the Assault on Black Reach game, so w/e)

So far, I know that he has 24 kroot carnivores, 36 fire warriors, 3 crisis suits, 1 commander, Aun'va, 2 hammerheads, 1 pirahna, and a lotta gun drones. add up the special weapons he has, his army is 1585 pts.

My army is made up of 40 Necron Warriors, 10 scarabs, 3 destroyers, 1 Tomb Spyder, 1 Necron Lord w/ VoD, Rezorb, and warscythe, and the Deceiver. I do have 2 Flayed ones and 2 Immortals, but they're not in my army yet cuz not big enough for a squad. all in all, about 1600 pts. worth.

b4 I go into that battle next week, I need to know about how the necrons work and how the tau work.
How can I use my Necron army effectively? How do I combat a Tau army w/ Necrons? Necron strengths and weaknesses, and Tau strengths and weaknesses?

Any help would be great.
btw, if you want me to, I'll post up a battle report once the fight ends.
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Old 10 Apr 2009, 05:18   #2 (permalink)
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Well, as Tau, I can tell you right off the bat: you've got a 205pt advantage at least. The Space Pope (Aun'Va) is less than useless.

Tau's strengths are mobile firepower with a limited durability (Eldar can outmove and outshoot us, but they won't win in a resilience contest). Their Jet Packs are very useful for getting into range and then escaping enemy retaliation (Known as JSJ or Jump-Shoot-Jump). Railguns are pretty much synonymous pwn so you're lucky he doesn't have any. When I play 'crons I use my Railguns to Insta-gib any Destroyers (tip for you: get/use more Destroyers).

Weaknesses? CC. Seriously, I've had a fricking XV-88 with Shield Drones get killed by 3 scarab swarms in CC. Kroot could do some damage to you, but they've got no save so you can shred them if they're out of cover.

Luckily for you, he doesn't seem to have much mobility in his list (i.e. no tanks/transport). EDIT: Doh, didn't see the HH's

Unluckily for you I don't know Necrons well, so I'll shut-up now. .
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Old 10 Apr 2009, 06:13   #3 (permalink)
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I'll take a swing at it. Don't underestimate the charge of a large kroot squad. With a good enough numerical advantage (2 to 1, I think) they will wipe out a warrior squad, and that's the one situation where there is no We'll Be Back! Anything but warriors should be able to beat the kroot in melee, or if you can get them out of cover they go down very fast. You said he has two hammerheads but not whether he runs them with ion cannon or railguns. In either case, they're dangerous to you. Ion cannons are one of the few Tau weapons that penetrate 3+ armor, railgun single-shot is the most dangerous threat known to a monolith, and the railgun submunition will remove two scarab bases for each unsaved wound. (There is some debate about this, but in my opinion Instant Death and Vulnerable to Blasts DO stack.)

You are both pretty heavy to foot-slogging rapid-firing infantry (both kinds of warrior). His outrange yours by 6 inches, though, so if he gets 2nd deployment and can eyeball the range properly he will be able to whittle you down some before you get close. Generally, Tau have the advantage in mobility, although VoD (that's the deep-strike-around-the-board thing, right?) will help with that some. His battle suits will be hard to pin down, but gauss-weaponing the tanks will keep them from being too dangerous.

As Ahab said, Tau are awful at close combat, so even your warriors will win decisively against his. Under 5th edition rules, though, when the first squad runs the rest are able to pour a LOT of rapid-fire into the unit that killed them. Necrons are tough, but 2 full squads of fire warriors in rapid fire will put out 48 shots that hit on 4's and wound on 3's. Statistically, that should drop (lemmee see here) 8 warriors, and if he has markerlight support or other units helping out you could end up losing the whole squad.

Oh, almost forgot: Gun drone shots are pinning, as are fire warrior shots if he gives them carbines instead of rifles (most players don't). There are also rail rifles, (which it doesn't look like you'll be facing) and one crisis suit weapon that is pinning. Necron leadership is better than Tau, but they aren't nearly as hard to pin as some other armies.
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Old 11 Apr 2009, 01:22   #4 (permalink)
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thx alot for the help. Hopefully I'll be able to win lol.

another question: I just found out that he's getting I think 4-10 pathfinders in the mail, and I know one has a railrifle. should I be worried, or are they not all that great?
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Old 11 Apr 2009, 04:20   #5 (permalink)
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Pathfinders can greatly increase the efficiency of the points he spent.
Or die really fast. Or both .
Markerlights; among decreasing cover saves, enforcing leadership penalies to pinning tests, and calling in Seeker Missles (if he has any on vehicles) are best known for being able to increase a firing unit's BS by 1 for every token expended. Sidenote Markerlights are fired like normal to hit, no saves can ever be taken against them, and each successful hit places a Markerlight Token on the target unit.

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He will teach you that you have no reason to; if he brings only one rail rifle... Actually even if he had 3 Sniper Drone Teams you could survive, WBB is practically a 4+ cover save that can't be tampered and you get regardless of positioning. You'll do fine.
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Old 11 Apr 2009, 18:08   #6 (permalink)
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Learn to love your scarabs! You can turbo boost them 24" and get a 2++ save on them as well as providing cover for the units behind them. You can also use them to tie up squads in CC. Charge those scarabs into some battle suits and you've pretty much negated that unit for the entire game.
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Old 11 Apr 2009, 21:05   #7 (permalink)
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Heck, against tau, my scarabs win half the battle for me. Three units of them on turn two...Im literally killing off any infantry on foot, since I'll likely win combat against them by virtue of the number of attacks.
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Old 12 Apr 2009, 03:31   #8 (permalink)
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lol sweet!
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Yeah honestly if you two are both new to warhammer I would expect him to be on here asking instead of you. The resiliencey of Necrons is such a pain in the ass for Tau is rediculous.
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Old 12 Apr 2009, 17:08   #10 (permalink)
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lol yeah well, I'm more of the "get-help-from-others-for-games" kind of guy. my friend is the look-online-and-figure-it-out-himself guy. lol

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