[El Magnifico]

......... the powergamer in me spotted this and i wonder if it can happen.


a warscythe allows a lord to rolls 2d6 for penetration against vehicles and disruption fields give him the ability to glance on the "dice roll of a 6 to penetrate).


i am not asking whether i can glance and penetrate on the same dice roll (i am certain you cant), i just wonder if 5pts is a reasonable investment to have a 1 in 3 chance of glancing any vehicle even if you fluff your dice roll (getting a 6 and a 1 for example, or trying to have a go at an enemy monolith)


only applies to AV13+ (as a 6 and a 1 would glance AV12 anyway) but i have 9pts spare in the list i am putting together and i thought this could be a useful gimmik to have.

[Wargamer]

No. You use one or the other, not both. Disruption Fields only apply if you roll a single D6 to penetrate.

[Circus Freak]

I think it applies across the board with all armies - you can't mix and match close combat weapons, apart from to get the +1A where applicable. For example, you can't take a power fist and a lightning claw to strike at S10 and reroll wounds =) (that example wouldn't even give you +1A either because you need two lightning claws).

[El Magnifico]

cool, no probs (though i thought disruption fields were a "wargear" item, not a weapon)


any ideas on what i can do with 9pts

[BrownKnight]

I'd need to see your army list to see if there is anything that could be done with the 9 points, but most likely... no. we are the most expensive basic force out there, so it is not likely there is anything you can do with it. Sorry

[Firista]

Disruption fields are a wargear option and are not weapons. You can take both D.Fields and a Warscythe if you so wish but I'm unsure as to whether you can use them in tandem to achieve your desired effect. I'll get back to you.

You can purchase a Chronometron for 10 points, however useless it is, but if 9 is your maximum, then no, you can't purchase anything.

EDIT - Ok, after a bit of deliberation we've come to the conclusion that you can indeed take Disruption Fields and a Warscythe on your Necron Lord and gain the effects from both with no hassle. There is no reasoning in the rules otherwise. Of course for 15 points this is a little overpowered and Necrons hardly need any more anti-armour.

For example; If I were to hit the side of a Land Raider with my Lord with D.Fields and a Warscythe, I would roll 2 die because of the Warscythe. Let's say I roll a 6 and a 2, that's 8+5(Lord's strength). So 13. This would not glance ordinarily, but because I rolled a 6, That's a single glancing hit.

Also, as D.Fields work in exactly the same way as ranged gauss weaponry in hits against armour, this means that if you beat the armour value and score a penetrating hit but you also roll a 6, you will not gain an additional glancing hit as well.

[Wargamer]

The argument that "Wargear" and "Weapons" stack is false.

Take the classic from the CJ Harlequin list; Powerblades are Wargear, Harlequin's Kiss is a Weapon. They do not stack.

Melta Bombs are Wargear. Lightning Claws are Weapons. They do not stack. You cannot make yourself Str 8 and get +1 Attack while using a Melta Bomb; you either use your Weaponry, or your Wargear. Not both.

[Dezart Fox]

Yup Wargamers right, you can't use more than one thing in close combat :P

[Firista]

Instead of giving me irrelevant examples from other armies, could you give me a specific rule from the BFG underlining your point?

My argument is that Disruption Fields give the wielder an effect on-top of their existing weapons, not something different to use in close combat. Think about it, the Necron Lord already has a weapon before you upgrade it to a Warscythe, the Staff of Light, so would you argue that he cannot use disruption fields at all?

The effect that is given isn't unique in the world of 40k, there's also Gauss. Indeed the caption underneath D.Fields say 'Work exactly as Gauss'. Rending would also be a viable example.
A Gauss flayer has a strength of 5, but should it not be able to wound or glance normally, it has the Gauss effect as a back-up, meaning it may wound/glance on a roll of a six, D.Fields work in exactly the same way against armour.

[Wargamer]

Originally Posted by Firista

Instead of giving me irrelevant examples from other armies, could you give me a specific rule from the BFG underlining your point?

No, because Battlefleet Gothic is a totally different game system.

My argument is that Disruption Fields give the wielder an effect on-top of their existing weapons, not something different to use in close combat. Think about it, the Necron Lord already has a weapon before you upgrade it to a Warscythe, the Staff of Light, so would you argue that he cannot use disruption fields at all?

No, because the Staff of Light, in the eyes of the rules, has no rules against Vehicles. In other words, you are using the Disruption Fields, not the Staff of Light.

The effect that is given isn't unique in the world of 40k, there's also Gauss. Indeed the caption underneath D.Fields say 'Work exactly as Gauss'. Rending would also be a viable example.
A Gauss flayer has a strength of 5, but should it not be able to wound or glance normally, it has the Gauss effect as a back-up, meaning it may wound/glance on a roll of a six, D.Fields work in exactly the same way against armour.

There are no Gauss weapons that roll more than one dice. The rules of Gauss say that on a roll of 6 [on a single D6] it causes a Glance. Where does it say that if you roll 2D6, any rolls of 6 cause a Glancing hit? It doesn't. It is not meant for weapons with multiple D6 penetration.