[El Magnifico]

i have been toying around with loads of ideas for new armies and i have started thinking of the Necrons.

would getting 2 battleforces and a lord (possibly a monolith as well) be a good start for 1500 pts,or would that be waaaaaay over 1500 pts - i think it will be over before the monolith but i dont have the codex yet to check).



and is it easy enough to convert destroyers to heavy destroyers???

[40kenthusiast]

I've never converted Destroyers to Heavy D's myself, but the only distinction between the two is that Heavy D's have a huge cannon and a weird spine thing. Otherwise they are the same model.

2 Battleforces will give you a lot of warriors, a good amount of destroyers and a good amount of scarabs. With a monolith and a Lord this gives you every category of FOC except for Elites, with a bias towards fast attack. That's a fine force, and close enough to 1500 for gov. work.

[El Magnifico]

cool beans



now the decision....................

Necrons £155 (i will be getting thins like C'Tan, pariahs, immortals etc for apocolypse but that is a distance away yet)

Dark Eldar £140 (plus £100 worth of transports - i'll get those next month if i go for DE)

Blood Angels £290( i will just get the vehicles to start with - about £100 and i will use the apocolypse battle company for the rest )

[DakkaDakkaDude]

Firstly, Pariahs are virtually worthless unless Apocalypse makes them supremely-awesome compared to their current uses. Secondly, the C'Tan are not all they are cracked up to be. I mean, sure, they're nice. They're also unfluffy though. I mean, what are the chances that the Nightbringer is really gonna show up to your small battle? I mean really.

Secondly, if you choose to go Dark Eldar, you have to be careful. The Dark Eldar are not exactly new, and haven't been updated in quite some time. It is very likely that they will not be updated for some time as well. They are not a beginner's army either. The Dark Eldar have their own forum, so I won't go into too much detail, but just know that you'll be doing some converting (grotesques), and you'll have to order all your stuff from GW Direct Services, because the Dark Eldar are not ordered by stores. I'm sure you knew that already.

Blood Angels. WARNING: I am completely biased in the next comment and as such can be completely ignored if you feel the desire to do so. I do not like the Blood Angels for one reason alone: They don't have their own Codex. A Codex released in WD is not my idea of a "real" army, and it doesn't have that "real army" feel. It feels more like they are being phased out or something. Although I doubt that is the case, I still wouldn't purchase them. But if you like them, hey, go for it.

Prices, you know the Necrons are a steal. They're effective, but some find them boring. I personally love my necrons, and if you get bored of yours, just go buy some wraiths, flayed ones, immortals, etc, and change up your entire army...

And I do hope you planned on buying some immortals because they are INVALUABLE!

Hope some of this helps,
DakkaDakkaDude

[El Magnifico]

any help is welcome


i wanted to get a C'Tan for my apacolypse games ONLY (i aggree that the nightbringer is not going to care about a combat patrol ).


but i have been playing for a while now and i wanted an army that was a bit different and was tough to use (i have pretty much gotten used to the daemonhunters now) and i settled on blood angels, necrons or dark eldar.

the only issue i have with necrons is that i have never been beaten by them (a strange issue i know). i have played against them with all of my armies and i have had some tough games but i have never failed to phase out a necron opponent (this scares me a little when it comes to me playing as them).

on the other hand - the blood angels are a very forgiving and "reletively" easy army to play with

dark eldar i actually quite like, even if they do need an update (dark lances should NOT be 10pts : ). but the list looks very hard to use and rewarding if i can pull it off.


but yes, the necrons are by far the cheapest option for the best deal (money wise)

[Gabriel_]

Seeing as how you are a Daemonhunters player then you must be used to an army that has a lot of resilence, in that manner the necrons and daemonhunters are fairly similar simply because they are both very resilient. But I think that in order to be used effectively you must have a variety of units at your disposal. Eventually playing with only warriors, destroyers and scarabs will get boring, so eventually you will need to expand. When I wanted to expand the first thing I got was Wraiths simply because I thought the model was the coolest thing ever, and they have saved me on more than one occasion where my destroyers would have been...well...destroyed. The units themselves are fairly straight forward, its when they are used in conjunction with all they others that the necrons shine. As for money, of course the necrons are a bargain.

[El Magnifico]

this is just a starting point - i thought it would be easier to get used to the army if i just have warriors, lord, destroyers, scarabs and a monolith.

as soon as i am used to them - apocolypse is just asking for C'Tan and all the other goodies to be toyed with (i will see what works for me in a game that size )


its not the resiliance of an army that grabs my attention - it has to be a difficult army to use. i mean my current armies are:

Daemonhunters (i have lost sooo many games getting used to these guys)

Dark Angels (still trying to win a game without serious effort)

Tau (only played 2 games - 1 draw, one loss. i need some practice with them)

Nids (never lost with them - boring)

Eldar (my GT army of skimmer doom - designed to be harsh but is still difficult to use)

grey knights (need i say more)


i like the looks of the necrons because i think they are a hard amy to win with (mainly because i have never lost or drawn to them). As soon as i am used to the army i will be trying scarabs by the thousand and then wraiths and whatever else takes my fancy - such as destroyer heavy armies.

anyway - whichever army i decide on, i am buying it tommorow

[Gabriel_]

I definitley agree that necrons are hard to win with. Whenever I have played and lost, its been because of Phase Out. That is probably the hardest thing to get used to, its that one last ditch effort of your enemy to put one of your warriors down for good and then Bang, Phase Out.

I too first started necrons simply because I like the way they look. If you choose your army based soley on Stats and special rules then I think that kind of takes the personality of the game. I play necrons because I like necrons.

Happy Harvesting

[DakkaDakkaDude]

Honestly, if you want something entirely different, go Dark Eldar. If you want something that still has the feel you're used to, but still somewhat different, go Necrons...

Necrons are NOT this "uber-powerful, easy, cheese" army, and anyone who says so is a poor strategist! They are more difficult for me to win with than my Orks.

Dark Eldar are one of those armies that, a win is very rewarding. You want a very difficult challenge, play them!

[Gamblor]

Seriously man, go for what your into, if you like the look the feel or rules of a certain army its all up to you...

I play necrons at the moment, ive played space marines and dark eldar and necrons are by far my favourite!

People say there boring and no fun, but it depends on your playing style and how good you are at certain tactics, strenghts and weaknesses etc.

Necrons are a challenge, definitely not a starter army.

But they are a menace on the battlefield, any 40 k player will shit themselves seeing an army of necrons on he table.

cheers, hope all goes well