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Old 18 Nov 2008, 17:04   #1 (permalink)
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Maybe, it's because I'm too old,
But, as you all seem to know the exodites, Nobody seem to remember of the "human Knights worlds".
I open this topic, just to know if someone has some stuff about them... fluff, even rules.
I must have some rules, but dating from early 90's, and only about the Epic system.
If I remember well, Human Knights, were the Human exodites. And both races, were fighting each others on feral worlds.

They used "tiny titans", with half shield (protecting only one face), and were played with sorts of IG infantry.

I still have some models (Epic scale). but be happy to know if someone gets news of them.
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Old 18 Nov 2008, 20:12   #2 (permalink)
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Well that was way back when the Eldar exodites rode in Knights too, now of course they ride dragons. The human knights kind have of fallen by the way side though. They are however mentioned in the new Horus Heresy book Mechanicum, it brought a smile to my face as I was reading the opening chapter...

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Old 19 Nov 2008, 09:23   #3 (permalink)
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So, i will have to wait... for in France, they just released "Fulgrim"... to give you an idea of the time they take to translate ^^ and We finally will have the last Gaunt ghost in december... the one after Sabbat mater...
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Old 19 Nov 2008, 19:31   #4 (permalink)
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wow thats a long time. But I can assure you that it will be worth the wait

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Old 19 Nov 2008, 19:56   #5 (permalink)
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Well no doubts about that...
the problem, is, for some people like me, who read english "quite" well, is not to have the possibility to have the book in english, except with "overtaxes" due to the fact that Black Library don't want to "overshadows" Bibliothèque interdite" their French editor.

So, in France, or were wait Bibliothèque interdite'snail pace of translation... or we pay the books almost twice their price....
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As far as I know, Knight Worlds are still a part of the fluff. They're predominately medieval planets near Forgeworlds that provide food for protection and technology. The nobility of these planets pilot the Knight titans when called to war with the Mechanicus. I don't think that there are any rules for them now, outside of old Epic games.
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Old 19 Nov 2008, 20:33   #7 (permalink)
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As far as I know, Knight Worlds are still a part of the fluff. They're predominately medieval planets near Forgeworlds that provide food for protection and technology. The nobility of these planets pilot the Knight titans when called to war with the Mechanicus. I don't think that there are any rules for them now, outside of old Epic games.
That's what i feared... pity, i still get a whole "maisonée" (household?) well a Baron and his retinue of about 12 differnts knights... it was cool to play... in the first ed of Epic.
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Old 22 Nov 2008, 20:33   #8 (permalink)
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Over at Bell of Lost Souls they have - in their Lords of Battle PDF - Rules for all kinds of Knights - Both Eldar and Human.

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Old 24 Nov 2008, 21:00   #9 (permalink)
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Knights (by Andy Chambers, excerpted from WD 126)

Knights are fast-moving powerful war machines, thirty to forty feet tall and controlled by a single warrior, that fight on the battlefields of the Horus Heresy in the service of both Eldar and Human armies. Recruited from feral worlds where lesser versions of these machines are used to herd mighty Megasaurs, Knights take to the field of war alongside other members of their noble families. With their devastating visor-mounted psychic and shock lances, the mere gaze of a Knight can bring death to its enemies.

THE BIRTH OF THE ELDAR KNIGHTS

Long before the Dark Age of Technology, numerous barren as planets were visited by Eldar seed ships. These inhospitable worlds were prepared for the long process of terraforming and then seeded with the essential ingredients to sustain of life. The Eldar plan was to create new worlds to colonize in thousands of years time. These worlds were known to the Eldar as Lilaethan or Maiden Worlds.

As their civilisation neared its collapse, a number of Eldar groups denounced the easy decadence offered by Chaos and abandoned the homeworlds in a series of migrations they called the Exodus, referring to themselves as Exodites. These groups travelled far away and colonized the Lilaethan, determined to escape the terrible fall of their a race that they had foreseen. On their arrival, the Exodites split into individual clans each led by a warrior elite.

Those who joined the Exodus came from all levels of Eldar society but were united in their determination and powerful will to survive. The Exodites were a group which had long been aware of the dangers of indulgence and hedonism; by choice, they selected worlds where their life would be hard so as to avoid the trap of sloth. To a great extent, this suppressed the natural Eldar character of intense emotion and intellect, and did indeed save them from the Fall. Among the Exodites, the intensity of the Eldar nature is expressed as a powerful loyalty to their individual clans and a strong determination to achieve their objectives.

The struggle for survival on these worlds was indeed grim. To enable them to deal with the harsh conditions, the Exodites converted the sleek war machines they had brought with them into tall walkers which they piloted across their new planets, tending the virgin worlds. The ruling warrior Elite gradually developed a system of status and honour which brought about the society now known as the Eldar Knights. Dwelling in tall keeps, the Knights strove to hasten the planets' evolution and bring life and order out of the primeval maelstrom.

After the Eldar Fall, the craftworlds sought out the colonists to offer them a place on board. The Exodites coldly told their craftworld brethren that they preferred to stay where life was simple if harsh, and the dangers were obvious. Though the craftworlds and Exodite colonies trade with one another, the Exodites still maintain that the easy lifestyle on the craftworlds is dangerously close to that which brought the downfall of their race.

In order to produce the food necessary to trade with the craftworlds, the oceans of the planets were seeded with algae to form vast floating weed beds. These weed beds and the lush vegetation of the primitive jungles provided nourishment for docile brontosaurus-like herd beasts called Megasaurs created by the Knights through cloning and genetic engineering. The Megasaurs in turn provided protein-rich food for the craftworlds. The herds were shepherded by the Knights in their machine-bodies, protecting the Megasaurs from predators and moving them from place to place to feed. On occasion, the Knights of different clans would clash over watering rights or border disputes, though combat took an almost ritualised form intended more to hone the Knights' skills than bring about bloodshed.

THE COMING OF MEN

During the Dark Age of Technology, scouts from Earth travelled far through the galaxy seeking planets to be used as agricultural worlds to provide food for the huge hiveworlds of Humanity. They copied the farming techniques used by the Eldar Knights already living on some of the worlds discovered. In a period referred to by the Exodites as The Coming of Men, the Eldar and Human colonists clashed in a series of bloody wars as the Eldar Knights sought to protect their homes from the interlopers.

When these planets were cut off in the Age of Strife, they became feral worlds. A warrior aristocracy grew up on the Human worlds, mimicking the lifestyle of the Eldar clans. On many worlds, the Eldar clans resurged to win back the lands they had lost and settled into a pattern of battling and raiding both against the Humans and each other. The wealth of the noble Human houses and Eldar clans was based on their herds and much herd-raiding went on. The herds were greatly reduced in size, but, as the only readily available food source, were just as important.

While the Eldar shared their duties equally throughout the clan, the Human nobility enforced a feudal system on those below them. A sub-class of Drovers looked after the herds, as the nobles would not soil their hands with such work. The Drovers' walkers were not, by law, armed with weapons even though they lived in constant danger from raiders and predators. This ensured that the Drovers had to rely on the Knights of the nobility for protection and nullified any chance of revolt.

As well as the nobles, each house could field large numbers of men at arms, either mounted on horses or on foot. These were equipped much like Planetary Defence Force and Imperial Guard units elsewhere in the Imperium, though with not nearly as many heavy weapons. When the nobles grew too old to carry on fighting in the harry and slash of raiding or the swirling melee of battle they would give their armour to their eldest son and take instead the armour of a Warden. Wardens formed the steadiest element within the noble houses, usually found defending the keep or protecting the Drovers.

On many of the worlds, groups of artificers and technicians became the most important of the nobles' subjects. They initially simply maintained the Knights for the nobles but soon learnt to speak with one voice, threatening to withdraw their services from any Lord who failed to take heed. They styled themselves as a priesthood for the half forgotten mysteries of technology and were called Sacristans. As their power grew, they arbitrated between the different houses to ensure they did not wipe one another out in bitter feuds. The ever-present dangers of their worlds meant the Knights could not survive wars of attrition and genocide, and this necessitated the use of chivalric values to settle disputes. Eventually the Sacristans on many worlds ritualised the virtues of Honour, Duty and Valour and passed on these traditions from generation to generation. With the acceptance of these values the nobles became known as The Chivalry.

In addition to the threat posed by hostile houses, the Chivalry had to fight constant battles against swift Carnosaurs which preyed upon the herds. Hunting the Carnosaurs honed their fighting skills to a deadly art, preparing them for the periods of violent warp activity which created monstrous mutated beasts. When such a beast was sighted, all the Chivalry would go on quests to seek out and destroy the creature before it tainted the land.

THE REDISCOVERY

Thousands of years later, the planets were brought back into the Imperium. When Rogue Trader Jeffers rediscovered the agriworlds he referred to their inhabitants as Knights, pointing out their many Knightly virtues as he emphasised the worlds' value to the Empire both as a massive food resource and as a source of born and bred warriors. The Administratum agreed with Jeffers' findings and quickly set about rediscovering the rest of the long-lost agriworlds. To their delight, they found that two in three of the originally settled worlds were still occupied by Humans working along very similar social lines. The remaining worlds were either occupied by both Eldar and Human Knights or held exclusively by clans of Eldar Knights with strong links to the craftworlds, trading natural raw materials for technology.

Often, a Knight world would be affiliated to a Titan forgeworld, producing food for it, while the Sacristans would come under the control of the Adeptus Mechanicus. Other Knight worlds were left with a large degree of autonomy, required only to produce food and obey the call to arms when given.

The Imperial Cult was introduced in such a way that the Chivalry could be called on by the Empire to enter a crusade. Old rivalries forgotten, the Knights (especially younger ones) would form family units to fight with Titan Orders or the Imperial Guard.

Young Knights sometimes don't have their own armour, but train on that of their father. When fighting in a crusade they are given their own armour, built on a Titan forgeworld. Once they return home they are able to keep the armour and form their own house.

Thus units of Knights are often fielded by Titan Orders and the Imperial Guard. During the Horus Heresy, Knights fought on both sides - many of the agriworlds declared allegiance to Warmaster Horus and were only brought back into the Imperium after decades, even centuries, of terrible armed struggle.

Knights usually fight as single units from each house which means they are usually seen in large groups. After a period of time on crusade, the Chivalry can return home, well-rewarded with loot and new armour. Normally the Wardens stay on the homeworld to protect the keep but occasionally they have taken the field when required, more than compensating for their age with stoic tenacity.

In some cases, Knights bring units of men-at-arms with them. These are re-equipped by the Order or Regiment, often having their horses replaced with bikes. They act in close support of the Knight formations and as scouts for the Order.

KNIGHT SUITS

Knight suits are similar to Titans in that they are controlled through a direct mind link. Imperial Titans are imprinted with a feral personality, which must be dominated by the Princeps in order to control the machine. The Titan's personality is there to handle all the mundane tasks in operating such a machine, like balancing and walking, leaving the Princeps free to concentrate on more important things.

Eldar Knight suits contain a spirit stone which supplies the personality for the machine. When linked to the lone Eldar pilot, this lends Eldar Knights a fluid grace lacked by Human Knights. The spirit stones in Eldar Knights are often ancient artefacts dating back to the time of the Fall and contain the the souls of many long dead heroes. When an Eldar Knight links with his suit, he exchanges a portion of his consciousness with those in the stone. This makes Eldar Knights strange characters often speaking in archaic tongues and referring to past ages with unnerving familiarity.

Human Knight suits do not have a permanently imprinted personality. Instead the Knight sits in a throne, which is imprinted with aspects of his own personality. The throne is plugged in to the armoured Knight suit and may be transferred from one Knight suit to another, though this is a rare occurrence usually only undertaken if the old suit is damaged beyond repair or the Knight wishes to become a Warden, passing on his old Knight suit to a younger relation. Imprinting your personality on a throne is a lengthy, sometimes dangerous, business. It has become a rite of passage for young nobles - this is how they become an adult. When he is old enough, a noble son who wishes to become a Squire undertakes a vigil in the family's chapel or sacristy, remaining seated in the throne throughout the long night. He is surrounded by the ancient thrones and battle banners of his forefathers which are kept in the sacristy, reminding him of the long traditions of honour and chivalry he is expected to maintain. The imprinting process tends to exaggerate dominant aspects of the young noble's personality, especially with regard to the way he is feeling during his vigil. If he is scared, the personality imprint will always be scared, making the suit difficult to control in combat. If the noble is angry with someone (say a brother who made fun of the noble before his vigil) the personality imprint will always hate that person, even if the noble has got over it.

When a noble dies, his throne retains some of his character. Nobody else can use it to control the suit until they have overlaid their personality onto the throne. It is still possible, however, to communicate with the personalities in the throne. Thus they are often kept and placed in the family's sacristy, a direct link with the ancestors of a noble house. It is the height of dishonour to deny a family the opportunity to salvage the thrones of Knights who have fallen in battle and the family will go to any lengths to get them back.

Note that the unarmed suits used by herdsmen are not controlled in the same way. They have a simple mind-link like that used on a Dreadnought. This makes them slow, lumbering machines when compared to the sleek thoroughbreds used by the nobles. The Sentinel walker used by the Imperial Guard is in fact a copy of the tried and tested Drover suit adapted for combat with the addition of basic armament.

Though there are, many different designs of Knight suit, a common feature to all except Warden suits is the lance. The lance is a short ranged area weapon developed from devices used for herding Megasaurs. To affect the dull nervous systems of Megasaurs, lances needed to be very powerful. The war lances used by Knights in battle discharge all their tremendous power in a single cataclysmic blast, making them a weapon much feared by their opponents. The lance is always mounted in the Knights' visor, a practice that has given Knights a reputation of being able to kill with a single glance.

Knights are rapidly-moving war machines, able to advance swiftly across the battlefield, deploying their heavy firepower to devastating effect. They are frequently used to forge ahead of the main formation to spearhead an attack or secure an important position. During a battle, these highly-mobile hard-hitting units may be ordered to make flanking attacks, out-manoeuvring slower-moving enemy forces, and can be quickly redeployed whenever a new or unexpected threat is posed.

There are three levels of status for Knights: Squire, Knight and Lord (Wardens of this status are known as Seneschals).

FORMATIONS

All Knights are organized into detachments of three or more machines. The Knights in each detachment belong to a single noble house, though it's possible that a large house may be represented by more than one detachment. In major battles it is not unknown for large houses to field up to thirty kinsmen, although six to eight is more usual. Though many of the houses have blood-ties extending back hundreds of years, there is much lingering distrust between the numerous houses. Thus, if Knights are fighting on both sides in a battle, all the Knights fighting together on one side will be allied or related houses battling out a bloodfeud against age-old enemies.

Human Knights are always fielded in detachments containing only one class of Knight. It is traditional for each household to use either Knight Paladins or Knight Lancers rather than a mix of the two, although large houses often fight with both classes in separate detachments. All the truly great noble houses, legendary names such as Hawkwood, Beaumaris, Arundel, Mortimer and Warwick, have the resources to call on Knights of any class: Paladins, Lancers and the stern, unflinching Wardens. Lesser families may only have a few Knight suits of a single class, worn by the finest of their warriors.

Eldar clans, on the other hand, frequently use a combination of two or three classes within the same detachment and aren't subject to the same restrictions as the Human households. The most common mix in Eldar detachments is Fire Gale and Towering Destroyer classes; if the detachment also includes Bright Stallion Knights, it means the Stallions can't make use of their superior speed.

HERALDRY

Eldar from the Lilaethan or Maiden Worlds paint their Knights in the clan's colours. Clan motifs and runes are added to both the Knight and its banners according to individual taste. The motifs of the Exodite clans are based on animals, each of which has a deep spiritual significance within the clan that uses it. The rank of the Eldar is shown by a strict colouring code: Lords have silver heads, Knights have bronze heads and Squires have gold heads.

Each of the Imperial noble houses that field Knights have a livery of two colours. They use these, with adapted Imperial heraldry, to denote rank. Squires use the basic livery colour (usually the colour that is dominant on the household's banner). Knights use the basic colour halved with the secondary colour, and Lords use the two colours in a quartered pattern. The actual areas painted in different colours varies from house to house and between the different designs of Knight, but the basic pattern is always retained. Wardens are usually coloured all white, with a single panel in their household colours in a pattern appropriate to their rank. Emblems on the war machines and their banners are adapted from the main household banners. These banners usually show a heroic ancestor in battle with a mythological monster as their central image. Campaign banners and emblems are often added while the Knights are on crusade with Imperial forces.

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Does that answer any of your questions? It's fluff on both human and Eldar knights, obviously, I just indiscriminately C+P'd.
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Well done... thanks a lot... it's been a long time since i've heard of this fellows...
I like them so much.. i've got a full "house", of human Knights.. Now, we just need to find the rule, for Epic Armageddon...
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