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Why is the kroot shaper so expensive?
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Old 14 Feb 2008, 12:05   #1 (permalink)
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Default Why is the kroot shaper so expensive?

The title really says it all here. He costs as much as four regular kroot carnivores. One more point of leadership is usually a good deal at the cost of one more guy, but only in wounds does he count as three kroot. In shooting he's no better than the rest, so effectively one carnivore. In assault he's not three carnivores of attacks either. Without close combat weapons it would be different, but a carnivore is two attacks total and the shaper is four, making him worth only two carnivores.

So: in shooting he's one, in assault he's two, only in wounds is he three, and he costs four! A 6+ armor save for one more point isn't worth it since most weapons are going to go right through that anyway. I like the model and the extra leadership (although a whopping eight still sucks), but is there any way he's worth his points?

Also, what advantage do kroot have over the new orcs? Orcs are cheaper (I think), get the armor save for free, have at least as good a weapon, and are Fearless in large numbers. Kroot have... beaks?
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Old 14 Feb 2008, 12:24   #2 (permalink)
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Kroot have better Initiative and their basic guns are more flexible. Shapers are expensive, mainly for the wounds, Wounds and attacks are things that normally make something a lot of points. Also, if this is a kroot merc list, he has access to the armory as well. If you are playing kroot mercs and you give him an eviserator, he is totally worth his points.

Also, don't forget the infiltration and the bonuses in woods.
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Old 16 Feb 2008, 09:03   #3 (permalink)
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Access to the armoury, Normal KMs dont get access, that is why he is expensive...
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Old 25 Feb 2008, 11:10   #4 (permalink)
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In Apocalypse games, one of the shapers can be upgraded to a Master Shaper, making all its attacks be treated as Witchblade attacks.
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Old 29 Feb 2008, 10:05   #5 (permalink)
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In Apocalypse games, one of the shapers can be upgraded to a Master Shaper, making all its attacks be treated as Witchblade attacks.
Why treated as witchblade attacks? They dont have witchblades......
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Old 29 Feb 2008, 19:50   #6 (permalink)
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I think you would have to compare orc Kommandos to regular Kroot - you have to consider that almost all the Kroot can infiltrate and only the Kommandos can do that and they are more in points than regular Kroot. If you also consider the Kroots "fieldcraft" abilities and better initiative and better strength and better ballistic skill then it gets a little more complicated.

Still, it's apples and oranges as each army has its benefits and weaknesses so I won't bother with the comparison. In fact, its kind of worthless comparing armies in that way without looking at how the entire army is designed. You might as well compare Orcs to any army and see if it can be done - orcs may be the army for you then.

As for the shapers, its nice to have a multi-wound hidden eviscerator in the group - well worth it when the squad infiltrates and "pops" that predator or loaded rhino in the first turn.
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Old 05 Mar 2008, 15:20   #7 (permalink)
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If you are talking about the shapers in a tau army... well he isn't really worth taking. Unless you have to have that moral upgrade. I attach an ethereal to the squad to make them not worry about moral tests, instead of a shaper. The obvious advantages in a merc army have already been stated and make the shaper well worth their cost.
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Old 20 Apr 2008, 20:42   #8 (permalink)
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i agree, in tau army there pointless (and i'm the only tau player at my local gw that uses them). in a kroot merc army they are amazing, a 3 W character in every unit with an evicerator infiltrating (and some flying) is well worth it ^_^
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