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Old 30 Sep 2006, 11:45   #1 (permalink)
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As it says in the title GW are going to be evil b*stards and are removing Harlequins as an independent army and are becoming a part of a normal Eldar army
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Old 30 Sep 2006, 16:49   #2 (permalink)
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Meh, I don't really have a big problem with this.

I'm going to be asking my opponent if I can use the old rules (I'll have a copy for them with me) and most people I've talked to said they would love to face an army like that.

If I end up against someone who doesn't, well they probably just play to win, so I won't face them, or I might make a eldar army themed on Harlequins, and paint all the gardians like the harlequins, or like a lesser harlequin.. harlequins in training?

So yea, this news doesn't really make me mad, hey it could be worse, like no Harlequins at all.
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Old 01 Oct 2006, 09:05   #3 (permalink)
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quiet! you might give them ideas, i mean look what happened to the squats.......
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Old 01 Oct 2006, 16:49   #4 (permalink)
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So... Harlequins go from being an underpowered fringe army to a powerfull - and legal - unit... and people complain?

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Yeah... let me put it this way, Novae, anyone who think the Harlequins have been improved by the Eldar Codex clearly never played them. They are far weaker now. A lot of their character and uniqueness is gone, for one thing.
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Yeah... let me put it this way, Novae, anyone who think the Harlequins have been improved by the Eldar Codex clearly never played them. They are far weaker now. A lot of their character and uniqueness is gone, for one thing.
I agree that they are suffering alot - loss of Solitaires, no Venom transport that we know of, no bio-explosives, nerfed Harlequin's Kisses, but they are getting some seriously deadly assault abilities (hit & run, furious charge IIRC) - the Citadel Journal list could never touch that, and the rule in the EO codex (strike from the shadows, always wounding on a 4+ in the first round of CC or something like that) was simply implamented so they could do what they're supposed to - annihilate something in the first round of combat.

Harlies have suffered, but the fact that they're playable and have a list of less capable but more tempting targets to protect them will help them alot; I mean, they're even getting saves in CC now!
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The problem is that Harlequins now are actually worse than Wyches! Okay, they get Rending... the latest over-abused fad that GW spews out at every oppertunity.

What have they lost? Well, let's see...

4+ Saves; Wyches get them.

Transports; Wyches get one.

Halving opponent's Ws; Wyches still can.

Mask of Fear; Wyches don't have this either, in fairness.

Double-Coherancy; Wyches don't get this either.


Anyway, the CJ list is out of date... I'm pretty sure that list was written before the Tau came out! They have essentially been bastardised into "Genestealers in Spandex". That is not what Harlequins are meant to be.
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In all the fluff it says they are independent, they just go around the stars in troupes performing, not staying with one army .they are supposed to be by themselves! they have just had all their character taken away from them
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Haven't seen the new harlie rules, but they have to be better than tripe written by Gav Thorpe no?
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Haven't seen the new harlie rules, but they have to be better than tripe written by Gav Thorpe no?
Nope.


They have lost:

1) Double-Coherancy.

2) 4+ Cover Save ( / Invulnerable, depending what version you use).

3) Mask of Fear.

4) Great Harlequins, Mimes, Solitaires, Venoms, etc.

5) Their unique armoury.

6) (Re-roll Wounds / Always wound on 4+, depending on the version you use).

They have gained:

1) 5+ Invulnerable.

2) Rending weapons.

3) Furious Charge and Hit & Run.


In short, they're now garbage. I would never use the new Harlequins, simply because Wyches are far better than they are.
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