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[ÐëmêñTìÅ]

Chaos Lord
-Jump pack
-Mark of Slaanesh
-Daemon Weapon (Blissgiver)
155 pts total

10 CSM 150pts
-2 flamers
-AC
--Power Weapon
190 pts total

10 CSM 150pts
-2 Meltas
-AC 15pts
--Power Weapon
-Rhino
235 pts total

1 Obliterator 75pts

Chaos Predator 70 pts
-Twin linked Lascannon
-Side sponson Hvy Bolters
135 total

with a grand total of 790pts.

I rolled with this list in a game against 800 pts of Space Wolves and Imperial guard, the meltas managed to take out the space wolf predator and take their point while the other squad used flamers and took out a squad of 6 Kasrkin, the obliterator looked good...and my predator shocked a leman russ and killed some Space puppies. My lord decided to take a wound the first time he tried to get into combat, then killed a grand total of 4 space marines before getting killed. More happened, thats really the highlights.

Overall it is a pretty balanced list, but any suggestions would help me out alot.

[Ironwinds]

Chaos Predator 70 pts
-Twin linked Lascannon 35pts
-Side sponson Hvy Bolters 30pts
135 total

Predators are not very strong in 5th edition.  Lascannons are just a lot worse at tank killing than they should be.  Meltas on the other hand are amazing at killing tanks.  So my suggestion is loose the Predator, that means you have 145pts to spend. 

1.  Get the second squad a rhino(you can always take the sponsons and turret off the predator).
2.  Get another obliterator.

This should leave 35pts left.  I would use part of that to change one of the power weapons to a power fist or at least give them meltabombs, and with the rest you could try out a havok launcher or extra armor on a rhino if you wanted.  Putting a combi melta on a lord doesn't hurt either.

Thats my two cents.

[ÐëmêñTìÅ]

Chaos Predator 70 pts
-Twin linked Lascannon 35pts
-Side sponson Hvy Bolters 30pts
135 total

Predators are not very strong in 5th edition.  Lascannons are just a lot worse at tank killing than they should be.  Meltas on the other hand are amazing at killing tanks.  So my suggestion is loose the Predator, that means you have 145pts to spend. 

1.  Get the second squad a rhino(you can always take the sponsons and turret off the predator).
2.  Get another obliterator.

I noticed that with the last game I played, the only thing it managed to do to either tanks was stun. Although it helped stall the Space Wolf Pred until I was able to close with my melta's. Thank's a bunch for the suggestions, I'll be testing a different heavy choice next game.

[Ironwinds]

No prob, glad I could help.

And at least in friendly games most people will let you proxy a predator as a rhino.  So try that out before taking all the guns off and see how you like it.

And actually I would use some of those spare points to put icons(preferably glory) in those squads.  Keeps them from running, and if you decide to have your obliterators deepstrike they double as teleport homers .

[Odo The Brave]

Take the individual points costs down!!!  You WILL get smited if a mod sees it.

As for suggestions I agree with Ironwinds.  Also with that many points left you may be able to do all of his suggestions (or at least a majority).

[ÐëmêñTìÅ]

WHEWWWWWW thanks a bunch Odo, I havent been on this forum for quiet some time now. Very much a appreciated.

Alrighty, I'll be making my new army list and testing it tonight, hopefully. Tell you guys how it goes down.

Although thoughts with the daemon sword? I did roll very well and got a 4 added on to my attacks and a 6 another time, but he didnt have a particularly high kill rate. Still should I keep him or go for another? Or would a mark of khorne be more pertinent?

[Odo The Brave]

No problem, I just try to make sure nobody gets smited for making an army list.

Each mark does a diffferent task.  MoS is a character killer due to the ID, MoK is sheer attack volume (but more likely to roll a 1), MoT is a gun as well, MoN if for high T/all around.  A unmarked can actually be useful too due to the +1 S.

So if you're looking for a well rounded Daemon Weapon either MoN or an Unmarked is good.

[ÐëmêñTìÅ]

Yeah, I've figured that out about all the marks, it was funny the first time I went to use my Blissgiver I rolled an epic.... 1. Lol. Anyways, I ended up going to sleep instead of playing a game, so hopefully next shift I'll get to play with my new list setup. I've been thinking though of what I should do. Figure my new list will be this....

Chaos Lord
MoK
DW
Wings
-160pts

CSM
2 Meltas
1 AC
--PW
--Meltabombs
Rhino
-240pts.

CSM
2 Flamers
1 AC
--PF
-200pts

Vindicator 125

Obliterator 75

795pts with 5 points to spare!! Wooo! Lets see what I can get for 5...*flips through Codex*

Bam, just rifled through it and now my AC with the CSM flamers shall have....MELTABOMBS! BWAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHA, lets see how this goes.

After slighty changing my list I realized I wanted to change a few more things in it...After I play with this list I'm gonna try some Khorne Beserkers, and I found some extra Khornate Bezerker heads so now I'll have 10 instead of 8. Woohooo!

So the changes so far are in red. I'm trying not to go too drastic with my list changing until I've played more games. Any C&C welcomed.

[Ironwinds]

Chaos Lord
MoK
DW
Wings
-160pts

Go back with the blissgiver, MoN or glory.  With MoK&DW you can get a klkn load of attacks, but there is a 1/3 chance you roll a 1 and hurt yourself.  The DW is ok w/ MoN, or glory, but it is extremely risky with MoK.

Rest of it looks pretty good.

[ÐëmêñTìÅ]

While ur entirely right about the MoK Ironwind I still would like to try it out on a game and see how things go. I fight IG, Orks and Space Wolves, and it seems like Eldar are going to make an appearance as well. So the more attacks the better.

[Ironwinds]

I did this once before but lets run it.

MoK lord w/ DW average attacks:  1/3 of the time is 0.  Avg # of attacks 7.63.  Abbadon is 6.66 if I remember.

So on average your only gaining one or two above a normal lord, but you have the rare possibility of gaining a lot at the cost of having none.  So even though he can dish out 15 attacks on a very rare occasion the 1/3 of the time you get 0 attacks evens it out and makes the average only slightly higher than other demon weapons.

against a marine.
MoK lord w/ DW, 7.63 attacks, 5.09 hits, 2.546 dead marines.
Undivided lord w/ DW, 5.83 attacks, 3.888 hits, 2.59 dead marines(remember the +1str).
Sorcerer w/ warptime, 4 attacks, 3.555 hits, 2.666 dead marines... figuring in chance of failing a psychic test=2.518 dead marines.
MoK lord w/ Lightning claws, 5 attacks, 3.3333 hits, 2.49 dead marines. 

I'm not saying don't try it out.  If you can roll really good for the # of attacks it will be nasty, but if it doesn't perform well just know that on average it does about the same as the other close combat lord and sorcerer options and while it has some chance of doing great there is a great risk it does nothing :'(.  I hope yours fairs better... but the above is why I really don't care for it.

After slighty changing my list I realized I wanted to change a few more things in it...After I play with this list I'm gonna try some Khorne Beserkers, and I found some extra Khornate Bezerker heads so now I'll have 10 instead of 8. Woohooo!

Zerkers are good in this codex, they should make you proud.  Just don't go crazy with the plasma pistols .  Good luck in your next battle .

[ÐëmêñTìÅ]

Wow awesome thanks for the numbers! I'll be juggling the idea of rolling with MoK until the last possible moment now! lol. Anywho I'm totally psyched about my zerkers although they came to an unhappy ending the first game I had them. It involved a Leman Russ battlecannon.  :'( No bueno. I enjoy painting them, its definitely something new to squads of Iron Warriors I field, red is a nice touch.