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[Elessar]

So, they're all metal? Even the troops?

well those in the picture where. and from the release dates(each heavy weapon being released seperatly) where guessing that heavy weapons will be metal to. so chances for troops to be plastic are slim.

[King Winter]

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well those in the picture where. and from the release dates(each heavy weapon being released separately) where guessing that heavy weapons will be metal to. so chances for troops to be plastic are slim.
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NOOOO! There is no God! (Ok. A bit overdramatic)
But goddamnit I'm tired of the metal models in general. I can survive the bit harder work to shave of the flawed parts, but it is the expense which is taking the jelly out of my doughnut. 
I DEMAND plastic models. Cheaper both to buy and produce, and much easier to convert.

[Wargamer]

I DEMAND plastic models. Cheaper both to buy and produce, and much easier to convert.

However, the pewter moulds are cheaper to make... plastic moulds are very expensive to produce.

[Elessar]

I DEMAND plastic models. Cheaper both to buy and produce, and much easier to convert.

However, the pewter moulds are cheaper to make... plastic moulds are very expensive to produce.

but alot more usefull. you may pay 3 times as much for a plastic mold but you can do 5 times as much with it. for example, give them trench coat bodies, and two types of head. one with vallhallan cap and one with krieg helmet and gas mask. you can make 5 regiments out of that(krieg, valhallan, vostroyan, steel legion, savlar dogs). so normally you would have to make 5 molds for the regiments, which would cost you more, the players would ahve to buy metal models which costs them more nd the conversion options are pretty much nill.

however with recent sale drops and investments in america and such i dont think they could afford to make a whole new regiment in platic. what i think they should ahve done(even though it hurts me) was finally get new ork and eldar stuff out. poor guys ahve been stuck with the old codex for ages. then after the nice sales from tau ork and eldar, once GW has settled THEN start with a new regiment. and this time go all the way, fluff plastic range, doctrines. not some half assed klkn to fill up the blister racks even more.

[King Winter]

That is something I can totally agree with, Elessar.
But I like these models as much anyway, so I am planning to use these new ones together with my cadians. It is only the plastic/metal conflict which decides how I will turn my army towards. My cadians are already Soviet Russia themed, and the Vostroyans will be perfect in any way.

[Wargamer]

No conversion oppertunities? I'll have you know metal models can easily be converted with only simple tools. It is very easy, and you can get results which are just as good, if not better, than using plastics.

[Elessar]

No conversion oppertunities? I'll have you know metal models can easily be converted with only simple tools. It is very easy, and you can get results which are just as good, if not better, than using plastics.

metal models better conversion results that plastic? common not even you believe that. having a sprue like i mnetioned above will mean you can make any regiment that wears a trench coat. metal models let you make some good conversion, but nowhere near what you can do with plastic sprues.

[Wargamer]

Some of my best conversions have been largely metal. My Shadowseer for example, is a metal Warlock on plastic Guardian legs. He looks fantastic, and the hardest part was getting the plastic legs to fit right!

Plastics are good for simple conversions, but I find they get very messy when you try to do something really complicated. Metal minis are less flimsy, and a bit more durable, which is vital when you're doing a lot of chopping.

[bongo the orangutan]

but ugly

[MonkeighBusiness]

Some are easy convert, but not all.  Bigger models like Space Marines allow conversions because they have outstretched limbs.  But the majority of IG metals are singlepiece models that are holding their weapons, etc, close to their body, and conversions can be close to impossible without green stuff.

This command squad does look metal, but remeber that the Cadian command squad is also all metal, with plastics elsewhere.  While GW is in financial trouble, they also have set a goal of having more plastic sets.  This being a niche model line (like sisters) means that at least right now i think its 50/50 for metal vs. plastic.

I wish gw would do what Forgeworld does with elysians, and what Mongoose does with starship troopers.  That is having seperate body parts, with seperate guns that sit in their hands.  Some armies like Space Marines get this, but i would like to see IG have it.

[squigs for dinner]

I really hope they are plastic. GW learned their mistake when they made all the old metal troops like Tallarn and Mordian and Valhallan when a bunch of people all stopped playing guard because nobody wanted to shell out for so mant metal troops (also because so many of the figures looked stupid). I imagine they will handle it the same way they handle the Cads and Catchs... metal command, metal special weapons, plastic troops. At least I hope they do.

[Wargamer]

I really hope they are plastic. GW learned their mistake when they made all the old metal troops like Tallarn and Mordian and Valhallan when a bunch of people all stopped playing guard because nobody wanted to shell out for so mant metal troops (also because so many of the figures looked stupid). I imagine they will handle it the same way they handle the Cads and Catchs... metal command, metal special weapons, plastic troops. At least I hope they do.

...what planet are you on? GW haven't done Plastic Guard since 1st Edition! Most Guard players have played all-metal armies for a long time... it is by no means a "mistake". Indeed, many of the metals are much better quality than the plastics (Catachans are a prime example; good metals, appauling plastics).

[King Winter]

I would not say "most", guard players use metal models. In my time of gaming, I have faced only one person who played valhallans. But I'm sure you have faced more.
But you still have to agree that more people would play if they had the option of cheaper plastic models. It is only because of the metal models, that I didn't begin playing Armageddon Steel Legion.

[Wargamer]

I meant to say that most veteran Guard players have played all metal for a long time... I'm not sure just how long the gap between 1st Ed. plastic and 3rd Ed. Catachan was, but I think all-metal Guard have been around longer than Plastic Guard have.

[Generalissimo Stankov]

I just didn't have the money to play all metal. I ahve a lot of Valhallan models, but they took 'em off teh shelves befor eI could even get a 500 pointer going.

Back on topic...

I really don't care for these guys. They seem to gung ho, all bravado and no real guard spirit. And what is teh real guard spirit? Simple, plain, and perfectly adaptable for a meatshield.

I really hate how the Standard Bearer has no sleeves. That assured me there was no chance for Valhallans.

Also, teh two troopers on the balcony look a little too ornamental. The hats are not quite Valhallan, they're more of New York Jewish woman hats.

Not very fear-instilling...