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Old 04 Aug 2005, 20:06   #1 (permalink)
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I'm thinking of starting either IG or Nids, and I have a quick question. Is it possible to swarm using massed amounts of Guardsmen, Stormtroopers, and such in transports, attempting to surround and wipe out armies? I know Nids are better swarmers, but with transports and high numbers of Guardsmen could make it much quicker and cleaner death. So, is it possible to effectively make an army such as this? If so, I may lean toward Imperial Guard as my second army.
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Old 04 Aug 2005, 20:11   #2 (permalink)
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Yes, they can swarm very well, but with Guard its a mix of shooty/assault swarm, alot of the times it is wiser to stay out of CC with guard and just lay down huge amounts of fire with your masses of soldiers.
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Old 04 Aug 2005, 20:40   #3 (permalink)
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you can swarm well with guard, but that isnt happening when you put your points into chimeras and stormies. stick to vetrans, conscripts (especialy), and the regular troops to swarm the opponent. the infantry armies will definately intimidate your enemies.
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Old 04 Aug 2005, 20:44   #4 (permalink)
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Especially when it means all their anti-tank guns are useless!
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yes indeed. also, it restricts the manuverability of their army.if they look for a weak point, and you have a solid wall of guardsmen (balanced out of course), they will crash and burn as to find the best place to attack.all you need to do is make sure that they are in range of your weapons and try to stay out of combat unless you can give immediate support the next turn. just cause you out number them doesnt mean you can afford to charge all your guys into the enemy line (unless it is tau). better to wage a war of attrition. just keep all barrels firing, and you will be set for the game. grenade launches and its larger brother, the missile launcher are by far the most effective weapons in the game, so max them out. melta guns and plasma guns can take out the big guys, but the melta lacks range and the plasma can blow up. if you mass these weapons into a veteran squad, its almost game for those who run into the squad. heck, even in normal squads, these weapons in mass can end a game. in short, dont play with numbers stupidly, cause you will lose.
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Probably with swarm armies is that they are pretty all or nothing - you either wipe out your enemy, or they wipe out you. It's always very bloody.

Chimeras = worthless as a trasport. So much better as mobile fire support.

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Old 04 Aug 2005, 22:17   #7 (permalink)
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Very true, also quite useless in a swarm army.

But I must say the best part of a IG swarm army, is on average, you'll actually outnumber 'nids and orks, quite amusing seeing that, trust me!
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yeah, but that is when you want to outnumber them. itey all are better in cc, andf will roast you if given the chance. then you must control the situation by not giving them what they want by moving as far away when given the chance and let the HW kill the bigger ones or soften up the dedicated cc teams.
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Old 04 Aug 2005, 22:32   #9 (permalink)
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Oh, of course not, CC would be a bloodbath against the Guard!

The masses are for massed firepower. Lets look at it this way:
1 Lasgun is a joke, 200 isn't.

But just looking at deployment it is quite fun.
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too true, only in a good infantry army, its more like 300 or 400 cause of conscripts and such.
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