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Old 16 Apr 2010, 00:43   #1 (permalink)
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This whole time I thought Krak grenades counted as defensive grenades as well as their stats for vehicle assaulting. Am I wrong? If I am right, and they are defensive grenades, then why would they add a doctrine for veterans to have snare mines that count as defensive grenades when they already have them? Forward sentries doctrine is what made me think that krak grenades don't count as defensive grenades. If they do, this doctrine would be a waist as they already have the grenades..camo cloaks would be the only benefit.
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Old 16 Apr 2010, 00:45   #2 (permalink)
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Krak Grenades are not defensive. They're merely S6 for the purposes of attacking vehicles in close combat. Defensive Grenades are a different piece of equipment altogether.

Check page 36 in your rule book for the full rules.
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Old 16 Apr 2010, 00:49   #3 (permalink)
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Seth's right, check page 36 of the rulebook and Krak grenades do not come under Assault Grenades or Defensive Grenades. On page 63 there are rules for Krak grenades under another ubiquitous 'Grenade' section.
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Old 16 Apr 2010, 02:46   #4 (permalink)
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See..the great "rule" book..can't have everything organised in sections where they need to be. Frag grenades have a dual purpose used for assaulting cover and also against vehicles. Always thought that Krak was the same for defensive grenades but a slightly higher stat for vehicle assault.
Wish the rue book was written by a person/persons that knew how to organise information a bit better. Although upon second glance the grenade thing isn't open to to much interpretation but it got me doing it wrong because it doesn't clearly state what I needed to know. Terms like "frag, photon, etc.." makes me think that I just have to fill in the blank with what I think is right even if it isn't.
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Old 16 Apr 2010, 03:16   #5 (permalink)
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Frag grenades are the same strength as a bolter versus vehicles. but their primary purpose is in assault. Thus, the rules for them are in the Assault section. Same with Defensive Grenades. Krak Grenades are for attacking vehicles, so they appear in the vehicle section. Assault grenades just happen to be (slightly) effective against vehicles, so they appear here too.
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Old 16 Apr 2010, 23:20   #6 (permalink)
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By "assult grenades" I assume you mean frag grenades. i didn't know that they had a strength. i thought they just gave you better odds when attacking into cover and so on. also, can krak grenades be used in assaults against troops? or are they specifically for use against vehicles?
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Old 17 Apr 2010, 01:34   #7 (permalink)
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Dude, you have the rule book! We've been over this, Read it :P
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Old 18 Apr 2010, 11:05   #8 (permalink)
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I thought you could use grenades in combat aswell. like one attack at strength 6 ( krak ) am i wrong?
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That was a 4th edition Rules IIRC.
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Old 18 Apr 2010, 12:32   #10 (permalink)
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Krak Grenades have no impact on normal close combat, nor do Melta Bombs. Assault Grenades and Defensive Grenades impart bonuses to combat, but also double as S4 for the purposes of attacking vehicles - often worthless but useful in rare cases for S3 armies. As has been said by Silk Spectre, pages 36 and 63 are what everyone will want to look at.
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