Tau Empire Codex 2013 | Army Builder Program
Dark Angels Codex 2013
Chaos Daemons Codex 2013
Chaos Space Marines Codex 2012

Warhammer 40k Forum Tau Online

 

Warhammer 40K Forum

Valks/Vendetta/Vultures.
Closed Thread
Old 28 Mar 2010, 20:50   #1 (permalink)
Shas'O
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: That bitter taste in the back of your throat, the one kinda wrapped around your uvula that is all that's left of your Pride.
Posts: 5,841
Default Valks/Vendetta/Vultures.

Not sure if im allowed to post the link here, so i wont risk it, but the IA:1 Update on the Forgeworld website.

It says that the Vakyrie and Vulture both count as fliers in Apocalypse Games and fast skimmers the rest of the time.

It DOES NOT say that the Vendetta counts as a flier. The Vendetta isnt even mentioned.

Therefore the Vendetta does not count as a Flier in Apoc.

My opponant says that it is common sense and implied that it is as "they are essentially the same vehicle with different weapons."

Well in that case I can have an AA Mounted Railgun, because the Skyray can have an AA Mount, and the Hammerhead and Skyray are essentially the same vehicle with different weapons.

If the book doesn't say you can, you can't. I have always viewed it as that simple.

So how should this go?

__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Circus
It is (and this is an objective statement, looking at examples over the last century) really ****ing hard to terrorise the British.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shas'o Ahab
In parting, I've discovered why Farsight started his breakaway faction...
*Farsight looks at Dawn Blade* "Shiny..."*Farsight picks up Dawn Blade and looks around* "... let's be bad guys."
Quote:
Originally Posted by The man they call Waffles
Jayne you y'xa'uuk legend
The Man They Call Jayne is offline  
Old 28 Mar 2010, 20:52   #2 (permalink)
Shas'El
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Now, or I release the scarabs!
Posts: 2,609
Default Re: Valks/Vendetta/Vultures.

Vendetta is an upgreade for a valkyrie.
__________________
[img width=650 height=87]http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv216/shakey_aj/Imperialnecrons.jpg[/img]
Visit 'Unholy's log of war!' for all my latest modelling stuff!
Unholy Harbinger is offline  
Old 28 Mar 2010, 21:00   #3 (permalink)
Ethereal
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: On the Midnight Ocean
Posts: 26,404
Send a message via MSN to Wargamer
Default Re: Valks/Vendetta/Vultures.

What's a Vendetta?
__________________
Farewell, Kangaroo Joe, you shall not be forgotten.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Norman
"Wargamer is never wrong, Frodo Baggins; he knows precisely the rules he means to."
Wargamer is offline  
Old 28 Mar 2010, 21:03   #4 (permalink)
Shas'O
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 7,741
Default Re: Valks/Vendetta/Vultures.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unholy Harbinger
Vendetta is an upgreade for a valkyrie.
In the FW book? In the IG dex the Vendetta is its own entry.
Droids_Rule is offline  
Old 28 Mar 2010, 21:06   #5 (permalink)
Shas'O
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: That bitter taste in the back of your throat, the one kinda wrapped around your uvula that is all that's left of your Pride.
Posts: 5,841
Default Re: Valks/Vendetta/Vultures.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unholy Harbinger
Vendetta is an upgreade for a valkyrie.
In that case the entry for the Valkyrie entry should stipulate that it includes Vendetta, it does not. It does acknowledge the Vendetta in the greyed out box on the Grav Chute Insertion, so they didnt simply forget to add it for the update. They did not award it flier status. Therefore it isnt.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Circus
It is (and this is an objective statement, looking at examples over the last century) really ****ing hard to terrorise the British.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shas'o Ahab
In parting, I've discovered why Farsight started his breakaway faction...
*Farsight looks at Dawn Blade* "Shiny..."*Farsight picks up Dawn Blade and looks around* "... let's be bad guys."
Quote:
Originally Posted by The man they call Waffles
Jayne you y'xa'uuk legend
The Man They Call Jayne is offline  
Old 28 Mar 2010, 21:12   #6 (permalink)
Ethereal
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Behind you
Posts: 19,399
Send a message via MSN to ForbiddenKnowledge
Default Re: Valks/Vendetta/Vultures.

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Man They Call Jayne
So how should this go?

In the Imperial Guard board
__________________
[quote]Thou shalt not crave thy neighbour

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim.
Rafe is damn sexy once he gets into his night attire.
ForbiddenKnowledge is offline  
Old 28 Mar 2010, 21:17   #7 (permalink)
Shas'O
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: That bitter taste in the back of your throat, the one kinda wrapped around your uvula that is all that's left of your Pride.
Posts: 5,841
Default Re: Valks/Vendetta/Vultures.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoe Graystone
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Man They Call Jayne
So how should this go?

In the Imperial Guard board
My apologies. I should really get out of the Enclave more often. :-[
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Circus
It is (and this is an objective statement, looking at examples over the last century) really ****ing hard to terrorise the British.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shas'o Ahab
In parting, I've discovered why Farsight started his breakaway faction...
*Farsight looks at Dawn Blade* "Shiny..."*Farsight picks up Dawn Blade and looks around* "... let's be bad guys."
Quote:
Originally Posted by The man they call Waffles
Jayne you y'xa'uuk legend
The Man They Call Jayne is offline  
Old 28 Mar 2010, 21:27   #8 (permalink)
Shas'Saal
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: morthamptonshire
Posts: 180
Default Re: Valks/Vendetta/Vultures.

its a flyer, the valkerie and therefore the vendetta were flyers before they came into apoc, you are just rules lawyering. you just said yourself that is says the vendetta in the same box as the Valkyrie therefore they follow the same rules.
field marshel R Ironballs is offline  
Old 28 Mar 2010, 21:29   #9 (permalink)
Shas'O
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 7,741
Default Re: Valks/Vendetta/Vultures.

Even though a flying Vendetta sounds ridiculous to have to face, it makes total sense to me that they'd both be flyers. They're the same freaking hull!

Apoc is really not the place for rules lawyering. The 'do whatever the hell you want' rules in the Apoc rulebook pretty much prove this. Play with friends and people who don't abuse the rules. Play for fun and for fluff. If you're RAWing datasheets you're doing it wrong. :P
Droids_Rule is offline  
Old 28 Mar 2010, 21:44   #10 (permalink)
Shas'O
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: That bitter taste in the back of your throat, the one kinda wrapped around your uvula that is all that's left of your Pride.
Posts: 5,841
Default Re: Valks/Vendetta/Vultures.

Quote:
Originally Posted by field marshal R Ironballs
its a flyer, the valkerie and therefore the vendetta were flyers before they came into apoc, you are just rules lawyering. you just said yourself that is says the vendetta in the same box as the Valkyrie therefore they follow the same rules.
Saying "its a flier" does not make it so.

Skyray/Hammerhead come it the same box. Not an argument either.

The Vendetta did not exist untill 5th ed, and therefore was not a Flier.

Read the Update yourself. The Valk and Vulture are both mentioned by name, they have their own entries. The Vendetta has its own entry in the codex, it was mentioned in the IG Update, in the section on Grav Chute Insertion, so they didnt forget that it was there, but was not accorded Flier Status.

You of all people to acuse me of trying to twist rules to my advantage, when you do exactly the same. You don't accept rules that don't benefit you and twist rule to make them happen, and when it might suit you you will fight tooth and nail to make it work. But this a rules issue, not a debate on personal rules interpretaition.

Do whatever the hell you want means there is no point in playing. There are still rules in Apoc, and while its fun to do your own thing, by this logic i can choose to say that my hammerheads are Strength D, because it makes sense that the Tau, knowing they were going to face Superheavies/Titan and would fit more powerful weapons.

Rules are still there. They Exist. Follow them or dont play.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Circus
It is (and this is an objective statement, looking at examples over the last century) really ****ing hard to terrorise the British.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shas'o Ahab
In parting, I've discovered why Farsight started his breakaway faction...
*Farsight looks at Dawn Blade* "Shiny..."*Farsight picks up Dawn Blade and looks around* "... let's be bad guys."
Quote:
Originally Posted by The man they call Waffles
Jayne you y'xa'uuk legend
The Man They Call Jayne is offline  
Closed Thread

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
MOVED: Valks/Vendetta/Vultures. ForbiddenKnowledge Enclave Talk 0 28 Mar 2010 21:12
Can Valks Tank shock? Jayne Cobb Imperial Guard 3 23 Oct 2009 08:52
Blood Vultures Brass Claw Forces of Chaos 5 22 Nov 2007 03:40
Vultures and Valkyries - Where are they? Tom Norman Imperial Guard 14 21 Oct 2007 04:21
Weapon Swapping on Vultures Hoarday Imperial Guard 6 11 Oct 2007 18:19